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Congratulations on killing feminism

72 replies

doingadisservice · 14/07/2021 08:08

Congratulations mumsnet towers, you are successfully ruining the Feminist ethos of mumsnet.
By segregating feminism with your awful sex and gender topic, you have made it much easier to target.

All the obnoxious MRA's don't have to hunt around they head straight there. It's putting me off and that's what they want. To silence us pesky women and mumsnet you've made it simple for them!

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AuntieStella · 14/07/2021 08:11

I like the separation of topics, and think it was long overdue.

Imcatmum · 14/07/2021 08:12

Yeah, they needed to be separated.

Whatwouldscullydo · 14/07/2021 08:21

Agreed doing

There was never anything stopping anyone from starting threads on anything else.
Since the split there have been very few.

It just feels like we are now sone kind of "offerring" to appease those who come to this site with bad intentions and made it easier fir those who just want to grab screen shots.

IheartJKR · 14/07/2021 08:29

@doingadisservice

I agree. It’s singled GC feminists out and othered us.

We’re also constantly being trolled now.

Mumsnet you’ve really let women down.

DancesWithTortoises · 14/07/2021 08:32

Agreed. Very disappointing. The default position on a site primarily for women should be pro-woman.

MN are gutless. Utterly gutless.

GreatBigBird · 14/07/2021 08:37

@doingadisservice

Congratulations mumsnet towers, you are successfully ruining the Feminist ethos of mumsnet. By segregating feminism with your awful sex and gender topic, you have made it much easier to target.

All the obnoxious MRA's don't have to hunt around they head straight there. It's putting me off and that's what they want. To silence us pesky women and mumsnet you've made it simple for them!

Agree. Especially the fact that the MRAs know exactly where to head. It also stifles balanced debate.
Iso123 · 14/07/2021 08:38

100% agree

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/07/2021 08:45

They haven't killed it.

They have made it so that every thread is attacked by M/TRAs who don't actually contribute to the debate (if they did that would be fine and actually useful).

They have also made it an obvious target for M/TRAs to start their own goady threads (just the right beside of the rules though).

They have created a hostile environment for women, but they will not kill off feminism.

Shirleyphallus · 14/07/2021 08:55

I think MNHQ actually stick their neck on the line a lot to enable us to have these important conversations and the criticism isn’t really justified

They’ve lost sponsors as a result of allowing some of the conversation and debate to stand. I think they tread a fine and difficult line on this and do it well

Whatwouldscullydo · 14/07/2021 09:15

Excepted belief in biology is now a belief protected in law....

FlibbertyGiblets · 14/07/2021 09:18

I agree Shirley.
MN HQ sometimes have a very tight line to walk. We still have a platform. I will not criticise them even though I might not like it.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 14/07/2021 09:20

It is pretty awful :( I wish they would reconsider

MattDamon · 14/07/2021 09:23

The trolling and goady posts have increased to the point that it no longer feels like a space where women can speak openly and safely about their concerns. It's clearly not in the 'spirit of the site' as MNHQ so frequently reference.

Needapoodle · 14/07/2021 09:30

What balanced debate? There has never been balanced debate of these issues. I headed over there to talk about birthrights, a charity that supports women who are traumatized by birth and it's the same old echo chamber it always was. People probably think I'm a troll for attempting to have a debate and suggesting that the need for traumatized female people to feel safe and welcomed (because birthrights use the words "women and birthing people") was more important than the bloody gender debate but it's the same old boring soundbites with no ability at all to consider any other point of view, and the steadfast belief that any woman who identifies as trans and non binary should stop being so silly, she knows she's a woman really. I'm glad you're in your own little corner. Not everyone who can see alternative viewpoints on some issues is a troll or MRA, but you keep telling yourselves that.

dworky · 14/07/2021 09:34

Also an oxymoron. Feminism cannot be separated from gender criticism.
The most idiotic cowardice.

ChiefInspectorParker · 14/07/2021 09:39

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MarshaBradyo · 14/07/2021 09:40

Has it been targeted?

Haven’t looked for a while apart from man / woman one today

BoreOfWhabylon · 14/07/2021 11:18

@Shirleyphallus

I think MNHQ actually stick their neck on the line a lot to enable us to have these important conversations and the criticism isn’t really justified

They’ve lost sponsors as a result of allowing some of the conversation and debate to stand. I think they tread a fine and difficult line on this and do it well

I agree Shirley
GrandmaMazur · 14/07/2021 11:27

@MattDamon

The trolling and goady posts have increased to the point that it no longer feels like a space where women can speak openly and safely about their concerns. It's clearly not in the 'spirit of the site' as MNHQ so frequently reference.
I don't understand why the goady posters aren't banned or at least put on a warning like so many non-goady posters have been.
Original poster
doingadisservice · 14/07/2021 11:40

It doesn't feel like we have a safe space anymore.
It feels like we have a bigger target painted on our backs
I feels harder to speak at a time we should be feeling braver

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Theunamedcat · 14/07/2021 11:42

Just jump on every goady thread shout Karen White and Jessica yaniv and unwatch the thread

Or ask them to define a woman without using the colour pink or the words stunning and brave

TedMullins · 14/07/2021 11:46

Mumsnet was always a public forum, anyone could go on and find threads on that topic and it was pretty well known for endless discussion of it before the separate topic was created.

Slightly off topic of this thread but how can you possibly say with certainty that anyone with opposing views is a troll? Anytime anyone starts a thread asking in apparent good faith if there are people who don’t agree with the stance of the GC posters they’re almost immediately shot down, met with snarky in-jokes or told they’re betraying their own sex. The word ‘debate’ is incorrect in the new topic, I agree, because nobody posting there actually wants a debate any more than the most hardline trans activists do.

AuntieStella · 14/07/2021 11:51

No-one ever had a 'safe space' on MN - as is often pointed out on a variety of threads across many topics.

It is a large, wide open Internet site and anyone can join and post here.

If you want a safer space, you need to join a site that does either or both of verifiying menbership or pre-moderating posts.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/07/2021 12:35

suggesting that the need for traumatized female people to feel safe and welcomed (because birthrights use the words "women and birthing people") was more important than the bloody gender debate

That's a misrepresentation of the thread and your participation on that thread. The criticism was not whether birthrights used the words "women and birthing people" it was that they smeared another female birth advocate by lying about what she had said. The thread was specifically about this woman, Milli Hill, and the awful abuse she has received from the birth community for taking a woman-centred approach and seeing it as a sex based issue. Which you only addressed in a dismissive way.

Viviennemary · 14/07/2021 12:37

I think it was a good idea to separate them. The topic of feminism was entirrly taken over by trans issues.