Congratulations on killing feminism

[doingadisservice]

Congratulations mumsnet towers, you are successfully ruining the Feminist ethos of mumsnet.
By segregating feminism with your awful sex and gender topic, you have made it much easier to target.

All the obnoxious MRA's don't have to hunt around they head straight there. It's putting me off and that's what they want. To silence us pesky women and mumsnet you've made it simple for them!

I don't see anyone throwing trans issues randomly into threads.

Wondering what was so terrible about my comment that got it deleted, again, yawn...

I miss freedom of speech.

I think it's sed that women have no home online now because of this nonsense, and have to go to other sites that value freedom of speech, like reddit.

@Enough4me

I don't see anyone throwing trans issues randomly into threads.

Possibly because it often ends up leading to the whole thread being deleted. Like the first QE one following the conviction

Ah, that probably does close down conversations then before I'd see them! (But Twitter & the Times overall do seem to allow feminist posts).

Are threads being derailed by trans activists just because they can (random) or with more specific intent? Ones that say 'women' that mean women?

I don't see anyone throwing trans issues randomly into threads.

Clearly you're not looking very hard. It's everywhere.

Are threads being derailed by trans activists just because they can (random) or with more specific intent? Ones that say 'women' that mean women?

The trans activist I see are those who throw GC comments into non-trans threads, on the grounds that everything is a trans issue.

Even when it is the male owner of a school with no mention of any trans issues being in any way relevant to what had led to his conviction.

Or perhaps the woman who has been charged with murder this week, who must be trans because it was quite a gruesome one, and the thread about that murder was suddenly hosting a polemic about how crime figures are recorded.

Its becoming a self parody.

But if you say you don't like the derailments, you're accused of silencing.

Even though your discussion on something else has just been silenced to host views on something different.

The trans activist I see are those who throw GC comments into non-trans threads, on the grounds that everything is a trans issue.

"Trans activist" is a term that has a clear meaning, and it doesn't include GC feminists.

I see plenty of actual trans activists both derailing threads in FWR and starting goady new ones, like going into the Doghouse and plopping down a "Dogs are Shit" thread and then leaving.

Or perhaps the woman who has been charged with murder this week, who must be trans because it was quite a gruesome one, and the thread about that murder was suddenly hosting a polemic about how crime figures are recorded.

I don't think its a derailment or polemic at all. It's extremely relevant to a feminist board, especially one on the nature of sex and gender.
Women committing that kind of murder is extremely rare. If we want to understand violence, then why men do it compared to why women do is key to that understanding.
We've also seen a big increase in stats indicating that women are committing more of the kind of crime that is usually rare for them.
We also know that due to the rarity, even a small number of male people being recorded as female can massively skew the figures.
These stats are not only used actively by govt in how to make decisions, but are also used as a stick by men's rights activists to 'prove' that women are as bad as men.
If no one knows what the data is really recording and it is being interpreted as showing something that it isn't, that has widespread and negative consequences for women. It's something that seems like a ripe topic for the feminist board.

I don't think its a derailment or polemic at all. It's extremely relevant to a feminist board, especially one on the nature of sex and gender

The thread wasn't in sex/gender

And the initial question posed was answered with pretty straightforward explanations of the English legal system.

What was a derailment on that thread would be an interesting discussion on a different thread.

And I mentioned it here as just one recent example of random throwing into a thread with no connection whatsoever to trans issues.

@MarshaBradyo

Has it been targeted?

Haven’t looked for a while apart from man / woman one today

Loads. There are frequent goady posts deliberate faux naive questions. It's very tiresome.

*Are threads being derailed by trans activists just because they can (random) or with more specific intent? Ones that say 'women' that mean women?

The trans activist I see are those who throw GC comments into non-trans threads, on the grounds that everything is a trans issue.

Even when it is the male owner of a school with no mention of any trans issues being in any way relevant to what had led to his conviction.

Or perhaps the woman who has been charged with murder this week, who must be trans because it was quite a gruesome one, and the thread about that murder was suddenly hosting a polemic about how crime figures are recorded.

Its becoming a self parody.

But if you say you don't like the derailments, you're accused of silencing.

Even though your discussion on something else has just been silenced to host views on something different.*

All of this. Trans was not relevant AT ALL the the queen ethelburga thing yet it was accompanied by a photo that directly tried to make a link between these awful crimes and to trans people (which i reported and it was removed because suggesting that there's a link
between simply being trans and being a sexual predator IS transphobic.) The thread was full of bollocks about self id. This man didn't self id as anything to commit abuse, and it wasnt relevant at all. He owned a school. Do we automatically make the link that all male headteachers are sexual predators?

Its a relief and will enable discussions to take place without them being completely taken over and dominated by people with an agenda.

Clearly you haven't tried to use the new board. Its full of people who are just being goady and have an agenda.

I have to say that it's been very refreshing to read other femininst viewpoints on the new chat board without the constant "GC" drone of "but what is a woman?". No one is stopping the GC feminists from the rtehashing of that topic on the other board which I notice still has the old "FWR" address.
This has never been a safe space, it's a public website, and no one is stopping you from using it.

@PerryChavlova

I have to say that it's been very refreshing to read other femininst viewpoints on the new chat board without the constant "GC" drone of "but what is a woman?". No one is stopping the GC feminists from the rtehashing of that topic on the other board which I notice still has the old "FWR" address. This has never been a safe space, it's a public website, and no one is stopping you from using it.

And what are these feminist viewpoints that don’t relate to being female?

@Enough4me

I don't see anyone throwing trans issues randomly into threads.

It happens all the time. All. The. Time. Any thread in which someone mentions reporting to police/police response to nonviolent crime - "Oh, the police are farrrrr too busy arresting people for saying what a woman is!"

Surely that is easy enough to just completely ignore, or report it as a derail/goad. If people ignore posts that they feel don't belong on the thread and simply reply to the last "good" post then those sorts of posts will die a natural death.

@PerryChavlova

I have to say that it's been very refreshing to read other femininst viewpoints on the new chat board without the constant "GC" drone of "but what is a woman?". No one is stopping the GC feminists from the rtehashing of that topic on the other board which I notice still has the old "FWR" address. This has never been a safe space, it's a public website, and no one is stopping you from using it.

Exactly this. It was so frustrating that every single thread on the feminism board was hijacked to be an opportunity to highlight gender criticality. Yes, it's an important debate. But it is so far from the only one, and is an absolute afterthought in terms of impact Vs, for example, the many women around the world who are experiencing domestic violence or lack of toilets and sanitary support that mean they stop education early, or lack access to birth control.

(Someone will undoubtedly be along in a minute to tell me that if we don't die in a ditch about self-definition there will be no family planning support ever again, but I don't buy it).

@AssassinatedBeauty

Surely that is easy enough to just completely ignore, or report it as a derail/goad. If people ignore posts that they feel don't belong on the thread and simply reply to the last "good" post then those sorts of posts will die a natural death.

Exactly this. It is annoying when people bring in trans rights for no reason, but I'd rather MNHQ delete posts that aren't relevant to a particular thread than put all trans rights debates into the naughty corner. It is a hugely important conversation that needs a wide audience. That said, I also think MN is one of the few places on the internet where you are able to have these debates at all, so thanks to MNHQ for that.

The separation of the boards is an odd one because in the vast majority of threads started in Feminist:Chat, the OP or contributers are names I recognise from the Sex and Gender board, giving the impression that they are interested in all sorts of discussions about feminism rather than being 'obsessed' with the clashes between women's rights and transpeople's rights, as is often repeated.

There has definitely been a rise in the number of goady posts and plopping on the Sex and Gender board. Whether this is in response to recent events or because GC discussions are now clearly signposted, I don't know. The change was detrimental as a 'safe space' for Transwidows, which I thought was the most disappointing aspect of the change.