Can we have an Asian and ethnic minorities board please?

[KenAdams]

I thought we were included on the Black board but I've been told in no uncertain terms its not for us so could we have an Asian and ethnic minority board please? Global majority is also fine. No one is excluded, everyone can post on it but it will be easier to note those posts that have a particular cultural element to them.

@Flube

Today 18:15PatricksRum

yourestandingonmyneck

Hold on, in what context were you told that it's "not for you"?

I was aware that the Black board was being created, but that sounds a bit harsh towards the OP does it not? Should this not be looked into a bit more? OP, could you have misunderstood?

Thank you.

It's not even a misunderstanding. It's an outright lie.

Of course it is...

Nice try.

That doesn't say ethnic minorities aren't welcome (me being one of them )

That's not what I'm working on. I'm working on a black section.
Still struggling to see where that says non-black people can't post.

Still struggling to see where that says non-black people can't post.

It doesn't. It's reference to a question asked of the OP, which you quoted, about the OP saying that they've been told it's "not for us" and asking for a separate board. The OP doesn't say that you said they couldn't post just that the section was not for them.

It's literally answering the post to which you quoted.

@PatricksRum

*As per the host of subsequent responses, I'm concerned that your post has just been used as way to encourage more hostility toward that Black board.

What did/do you want to post that you think you're unable to in the main section, or what did you want to post in the black section that you were told you couldn't?*

And why is it you only want a board after you see a post about a black board?

Because we are inspired by the black mnetters board. We've seen what's been achieved and how useful it is for a minority to have a safe space and would like something similar for ourselves

I'm white too so feel free to ignore, but I think this is a good idea given the creation of the other group.

It's sad that there a market to be segregated out, I grew up in a area that had a very high Indian community and lots of my friends are of Indian descent. So I know quite a bit about the various cultures as we have all grown up together. I dont understand other cultures as much in such depth.

But it needs to fair be fair across the board and dont see how MN can refuse it now. Nor should they in light of the other new board.

I would definitely pop over ( possibly silently) as I love certain topics like baby names, travel, etc)

@Flube

Still struggling to see where that says non-black people can't post.

It doesn't. It's reference to a question asked of the OP, which you quoted, about the OP saying that they've been told it's "not for us" and asking for a separate board. The OP doesn't say that you said they couldn't post just that the section was not for them.

It's literally answering the post to which you quoted.

Where did I say it isn't for them?

@Flube

Today 18:15PatricksRum

yourestandingonmyneck

Hold on, in what context were you told that it's "not for you"?

I was aware that the Black board was being created, but that sounds a bit harsh towards the OP does it not? Should this not be looked into a bit more? OP, could you have misunderstood?

Thank you.

It's not even a misunderstanding. It's an outright lie.

Of course it is...

Just what is your problem with Patrick?

Because from where I'm sitting it's looking very much like there's a vendetta here?

Just what is your problem with Patrick?

Because from where I'm sitting it's looking very much like there's a vendetta here?

My problem with Patrick, presumably you mean the poster I quoted? I must have missed the memo where quoting a post, and then politely replying when quoted in return, amounted to a personal problem.

@Flube how do the words "BAME covers anyone that isn't white, that isn't what I'm working on" translate in any way, shape or form to 'no other races allowed'?

Not all minorities have the same experiences, interests or requirements. Anybody who continues to push the idea that the black board needs to cater to other demographics needs to realise that that stance is in itself racist, and back down. Indian people don't generally need help with Afro-Caribbean hair and Black people aren't typically concerned with what's happening in the world of Bollywood. Let people make their own requests so that the spaces can be tailored in the correct way. Everybody needs to stop bashing Patricks for not asking for an entire BAME section, that is not her responsibility.

Jews are an ethnic minority. Would Jews be welcome? Genuine question.

[quote AMemeByAnyOtherName]@Flube how do the words "BAME covers anyone that isn't white, that isn't what I'm working on" translate in any way, shape or form to 'no other races allowed'?

Not all minorities have the same experiences, interests or requirements. Anybody who continues to push the idea that the black board needs to cater to other demographics needs to realise that that stance is in itself racist, and back down. Indian people don't generally need help with Afro-Caribbean hair and Black people aren't typically concerned with what's happening in the world of Bollywood. Let people make their own requests so that the spaces can be tailored in the correct way. Everybody needs to stop bashing Patricks for not asking for an entire BAME section, that is not her responsibility. [/quote]
Perhaps you should read my second post.

@bellinisurge as Jew I'd love to see a section for us. I think there's enough of us.

@Flube the one where you suggest that she said the section is not for other races? What of it?

@Kaiserin

Contrary what some have been claiming on this thread, some of us white people are very much ethnic minorities within the UK.

We get nasty looks when we open our mouths because of our non-native accents, we get told off when we publicly talk to friends or relatives in our native languages, people notice that our complexion, hair and eye colour may not be quite as pale as the locals, our family names and first names can be a be hard to spell and pronounce, we've got festivals, favourite foods/films/books and random customs that native Britons have never heard about, etc.

Heck, we've even got our very own immigration status (which may or may not survive the current Brexit negotiations), and all the lovely administrative procedures that come with it.

So why are some people so eager to deny the existence and unique experience of white minorities in the UK? (and by extension on Mumsnet)

As pointed out by @Kaiserin, not all white people are British or even English first language speakers. I think everyone who wants their own boards, should be allowed to have them.

"I think everyone who wants their own boards, should be allowed to have them."

Which by extension means they need to ask for them. Not harangue other site users. Who even said they wouldn't be allowed to have them? Can somebody direct me to the MNHQ announcement?

[quote AMemeByAnyOtherName]@Flube the one where you suggest that she said the section is not for other races? What of it?[/quote]
There is no "what of it?" Perhaps you should read the OP and the quoted post again.

You're looking for something that isn't there in my post.

This who said what and when is impossible to prove either way when so many posts and entire threads have been deleted.

those

You're looking for something that isn't there in my post.

There's only one person looking for things posts that aren't there, and it certain isn't Meme.

@lifestooshort123

This who said what and when is impossible to prove either way when so many posts and entire threads have been deleted.

Dear black people of mumsnet www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/4019891-dear-black-people-of-mumsnet

174 posts from me.

Only 6 deleted. 5 of which were deleted as I quoted a deleted post.

I don't think it's deletions that are the problem.

Those who said what and when is impossible to prove either way when so many posts and entire threads have been deleted.
I stand by this as whole threads have been deleted.

Morning KenAdams,

Thanks for posting. As with the new Black Mumsnetters board, we're always happy to do something new if there's enough call for it and we can see the board will be well used. We'll keep reading and making notes, so, everyone else, please speak up here if KenAdams' idea is something you'd like to see and have any further ideas about how it should work.

While we're here, could we just make a plea to keep this thread on track? We've deleted a few posts already that broke our talk guidelines. It's not fair to derail a thread like this so we'd really like to keep it to just this one discussion about an Asian and/or ethnic minorities board.

And of course, if anyone else has similar ideas for other topics, please do start a thread and the same applies - if there's enough call for something, we'll always consider it.

Thanks, and Friday to you all.

@MeridaTheBold

I think an AME board would be a great idea.

I also think MNHQ has to provide or create new guidelines to deal with the influx of angry, new posters demanding people state their race before they're allowed an opinion or to post on a section. It's a dangerous surge into right-wing identity politics and as a member of a minority group and whose DH is from a different BAME community, I find it very concerning.

Regardless of how naive or well-intentioned the posters are who are pushing in that direction ultimately it erodes anonymity, puts BAME at risk and emboldens racists imo.

I agree, one of the best things about Mumsnet is the anonymity, which is actively encouraged. The majority of the time I don't know the gender, ethnicity, sexuality or social status of the people I am having a discussion with. This is the beauty of Mumsnet. Where else can you find such a diverse group of people with vastly different views on topics. I have learned so much over the years from other posters

The nice thing about MN is the name changing.
A number of adopters name change for that board to keep things separate.
I would not be surprised if people name change for any ethnic minority boards if they want to be more anonymous elsewhere on MN.

As an Asian, I think it's great that you want separate place from others that you can talk about specific things to your culture. So, I'm all for it.

Personally, I don't need it. I feel fine posting on regular boards. Most of the time it doesn't matter what colour I am, or if my
dc is mixed race, at all.

What I don't understand is, people who aren't even us, talking about what's best for us. That is totally weird. If Black people wants Black people's place, nothing wrong with that. If Asian people wants Asian space on MN, nothing wrong with that either. It really doesn't matter if individual person doesn't want it particularly on one single site.
It's nothing to do with segregation, it's something to do with specific needs.

@lifestooshort123

Those who said what and when is impossible to prove either way when so many posts and entire threads have been deleted. I stand by this as whole threads have been deleted.

Which threads of mine were deleted please?