Can we have an Asian and ethnic minorities board please?

[KenAdams]

I thought we were included on the Black board but I've been told in no uncertain terms its not for us so could we have an Asian and ethnic minority board please? Global majority is also fine. No one is excluded, everyone can post on it but it will be easier to note those posts that have a particular cultural element to them.

Well you can't justify using a slur by complaining that other people do too. I didn't. If 'Asians' is offensive then you or somebody should say, like I did. You could at least have the decency to apologise, but I sincerely doubt you're the type to do that based on the interactions I've seen here. So as I said. The discussion is over.

Whatever. I use the terms you white people coined for myself and others and get tone policed! I’m supposed to just accept being called an “Asian” and “Asians this” “Asians that” but everyone else has to be “ X people” or it’s demeaning. Then why isn’t it demeaning when you lot don’t refer to us as “Asian peoples”? Hypocrite.

Gosh how have I missed this thread I've recently name changed but I was on the thread discussing having a 'Black' section and raised that BAME would be more inclusive name for the reason of upset like this. I'm still shocked that MN went ahead with a 'Black' section, there are just so many wrongs there. But apparently it's all about connections

I'm not white. You're very odd, aren't you.

or ask questions to find out more about things I don't know reeks of exclusion and racism

That seems entitled to me.
Why on earth should people feel they have to educate me?
It's a board for people to go to to talk about things together, not to field lots of questions or "what's that then?" when they just want advice/general chit chat.
Yes, I want to learn but I'm doing it by shutting up and lurking, not by barging in and expecting to be educated!
I bet that must get very tiring very quickly for people.
If there's something I don't know (like for example I found the cornrow thread educational, I didn't know that at all and took myself off to google to learn a bit more about it.)
Seems a bit off to want to join in to be educated, it's not all about me.

But apparently it's all about connections

What have I missed lol, is PatricksRum some kind of bigwig with VIP connections now?

@Quaagars of course, she's infamous across multiple forums rumour has it that she's actually Justine, but keep that on the down low

I never said you specifically were white @NumbsMet

I wasn’t aware that term was a slur. It’s a race in English. The races are white, black, Asian, etc. So it follows logically that if you can acceptably refer to we as Asians in English you can similarly refer to the other races as well in English by also adding the -s- on the end.
But English is my 3rd language so, have to forgive my faux pas.

rumour has it that she's actually Justine, but keep that on the down low

Ooh. It all starts to make sense now! I won't tell anybody lol

[quote NumbsMet]@drspouse at what point did I say to use the main boards?

I said you can't discuss those things on the black boards. As they're not related. [/quote]
Did I say I was going to?
And by "main boards" I'm including UK holiday board etc. Not sure where you were thinking instead?

@drspouse when I asked if the topics you're interested in discussing would be covered by the black boards, your response was that the topics couldn't be posted on the main boards. I wasn't insinuating that they could, and I don't see how you came to that conclusion. I was saying that there is clearly a need for a space that caters to those needs, as they can't be properly covered or supported on the black boards, or any other boards based on the input so far.

During the discussions about the new black board, links were posted to provide examples of what typically happened when a black person tried to discuss a black topic on the main boards. It was quite sad to see. Your examples are also sad to see. It's a very strong indication that a separate space is needed. But due to the haphazard way the subject was approached, the request has turned into a bunfight between people of different ethnic minorities and it doesn't look like the idea will go much further. That's a shame.

@newnamenewposts

Gosh how have I missed this thread I've recently name changed but I was on the thread discussing having a 'Black' section and raised that BAME would be more inclusive name for the reason of upset like this. I'm still shocked that MN went ahead with a 'Black' section, there are just so many wrongs there. But apparently it's all about connections

connections. Why is a black board wrong please?

[quote NumbsMet]@Quaagars of course, she's infamous across multiple forums rumour has it that she's actually Justine, but keep that on the down low [/quote]
Oh am I Justine now?
First I was Ghana girl now Justine!
Along with realising I'm married with twins, these threads have been very eye opening.

[quote KenAdams]@PatricksRum can you please confirm whether or not AME posters are welcome on the black board please?

If we are welcome there's obviously no need for an AME board. I took you replying "no" as us not being welcome.[/quote]
Please show me where you asked if AME were welcome to post and I said ^no.
^
Kindly read my other threads for the answer.

I keep forgetting in mixed race and only 3/4 of me is permitted to post on the black board.

I hate that MN created a separate Black board because anyone who isn't black can't join in

Yeah, that definitely happened(!)
The OP of thid thread was told to go elsewhere(!)

Not sure if this would be ok to ask here?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/black_mumsnetters/4025332-Not-sure-if-this-would-be-ok-to-ask-here

@PatricksRum I know, you should be proud of your multiple personas

I was just reading that Asda is creating a new aisle in their supermarkets exclusively for Vegan foods.

Well... isn't that discriminatory? Shouldn't there be an aisle exclusively for non-vegans??

To be clear, I'm being sarcastic - all aisles are for non vegans. The same way all restaurants were for non-vegans before vegan only restaurants popped up. I'm sure I would be allowed in to one of those restaurants, as long as I'm planning on eating the vegan food, and not planning on complaining that I have dietary needs too and demanding a menu to cater to me.

If somebody else then decided to create a restaurant for those with peanut allergies, coeliacs or diabetics, or purely for meat lovers, I doubt they'd say they did that 'because they weren't welcome at the vegan restaurant'. Don't you think? Smh.

@titnomatani

Woah, defensive much? I work with the black community in a very front-facing role and while that might not qualify me as being worthy in your eyes, the fact that I can't join in on discussions relating to the black community (the bits I do have a bit of knowledge on) or ask questions to find out more about things I don't know reeks of exclusion and racism. How people can't see irony in that is shocking.

Oh it's the "I have black friends so I can't be racist" drill.

How would any of us know if you were black or not if you ported on the board?

[quote NumbsMet]@PatricksRum I know, you should be proud of your multiple personas

I was just reading that Asda is creating a new aisle in their supermarkets exclusively for Vegan foods.

Well... isn't that discriminatory? Shouldn't there be an aisle exclusively for non-vegans??

To be clear, I'm being sarcastic - all aisles are for non vegans. The same way all restaurants were for non-vegans before vegan only restaurants popped up. I'm sure I would be allowed in to one of those restaurants, as long as I'm planning on eating the vegan food, and not planning on complaining that I have dietary needs too and demanding a menu to cater to me.

If somebody else then decided to create a restaurant for those with peanut allergies, coeliacs or diabetics, or purely for meat lovers, I doubt they'd say they did that 'because they weren't welcome at the vegan restaurant'. Don't you think? Smh. [/quote]
I have just one question.

I'm not a vegan.
No one is Asda knows this.
What would happen if I peered down the vegan aisle?
I already feel unwelcome. Not that Asda has said I'm not welcome. It's just that the aisle is named the Vegan aisle.
Is this the start of segregation? It's fine to have different aisles for pasta and meat etc. But a vegan aisle? I want a non-vegan aisle! (And no, the multiple dairy, meat and fish aisles do not count!)

I think this thread has been completely derailed but... I just wanted to voice my support for having an Asian thread. No it's not a perfect label but it would be a start for all us "Asians" (I am from one of "those" countries) to discuss any issues we want to in a space where like minds may meet. And no it's not "segregating" ourselves, it's no different to having a forum for an other slice of life where common issues might be discussed - just one lense through which we experience our lives.

Blacks is demeaning
Well you can't justify using a slur by complaining that other people do too.

On this basis you @Numbsmet had my post to @titnomatani deleted. I felt terrible because I didn’t know that term was offensive. Could not sleep last night.

So I googled to see if @NumbsMet is not alone in this thought. To educate myself. Quelle surprise! Zero hits saying that it was a slur. But lots of other hits,

• Not in the Wikipedia list of ethnic slurs
• Used by the racial slur database (RSDB.org) as an example of an acceptable term to use, not a slur
• Used in last month in many mainstream news sites- Dailymail, Independent, Washington Times, etc

-Used in YouGov.uk Is Britain Racist report.

• Used in encyclopaedia Britannica August 2020 update.

So, is it really a slur if only one poster on MN says it is? Or should a bit of fact checking occur before posts are deleted?

So, is it really a slur if only one poster on MN says it is? Or should a bit of fact checking occur before posts are deleted

I find it to be a racial slur. The same way I would if people said The browns or The whites
It's an offensive racial term and MN were right to delete it. We don't need "facts" to permit offence.

I do support the idea of AME board.

Like pp says, there are issues that can only be understood by people from the same culture/background. That kind of thread can be buried by seer number of threads starting on the main board. But if there is a specific place people can post on specific topics, it's more likely to be answered by people with knowledge.

I don't think it's segregation at all. Just meeting individual people's needs.

[quote NumbsMet]@drspouse when I asked if the topics you're interested in discussing would be covered by the black boards, your response was that the topics couldn't be posted on the main boards. I wasn't insinuating that they could, and I don't see how you came to that conclusion. I was saying that there is clearly a need for a space that caters to those needs, as they can't be properly covered or supported on the black boards, or any other boards based on the input so far.

During the discussions about the new black board, links were posted to provide examples of what typically happened when a black person tried to discuss a black topic on the main boards. It was quite sad to see. Your examples are also sad to see. It's a very strong indication that a separate space is needed. But due to the haphazard way the subject was approached, the request has turned into a bunfight between people of different ethnic minorities and it doesn't look like the idea will go much further. That's a shame. [/quote]
That's clearer now Numbs thank you.

Having spent some time in South Africa, "blacks"' is definitely a slur in some places. I guess if you can't use it as a singular noun don't use it as a plural, but in general prefer adjectives ("Ghanaian people" not "Ghanaians", "people with diabetes" not "diabetics")

I've seen one poster go from

"Quite an exaggeration there and not even remotely true. You don’t even know basic world history." - when addressing somebody saying that white people have been treating ethnic minorities as sub human for decades, to:

"Whatever. I use the terms you white people coined for myself and others and get tone policed! I’m supposed to just accept being called an “Asian” and “Asians this” “Asians that” but everyone else has to be “ X people” or it’s demeaning. Then why isn’t it demeaning when you lot don’t refer to us as “Asian peoples”? Hypocrite."

That is an impressive turnaround in less than an hour!

Another in support of an ethnic minority board here. I have often refrained from posting about various issues amongst other things on Mumsnet as I know that the majority of MNetters will have a different frame of reference regarding experience, obligations, expectations and responsibilities and sometimes it's just hard to have to constantly explain or provide masses of backstory/context. That doesn't mean I wouldn't continue to enjoy and participate in a variety of other sections of MN.