To think members of the feminism chat forum shouldn't be allowed to have threads that contradict their transphobic views removed from the forum?

[DrSue]

Twice now a thread has been started about prominent lesbians opposing transphobia and twice members of the forum have engineered derailing tactics that have resulted in MN taking the thread down.

I was going to walk into town to pick up some last minute pressies but the weather is looking a bit lesbian so I may just catch a bus

how’s this for inclusivity - even weather can be part of LGBTQIATHXJDISNAHXUDJWN+

Some people are attracted only to people who appear to be of the same/opposite sex and some people are attracted to people who have the anatomy of the same/opposite sex. And for some people it's a combination of the two with various levels of importance placed on either.

This is true. Hence some women not being attracted to cross dressing men. But these factors mean we could define subgroups of sexuality, not that entirely different ones (sex v gender) should be lumped together.

my lesbianism will include tungsten or it will be bullshit

Actually, looks like lesbians have already appropriated Lithium
www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/2690112-lesbian-element

But as tungsten is W, then certainly lesbians are included. Fluorine too, obv.

Lesbians are not 'an extreme'.

I didn't say they were

As a point of interest and a random bit of anecdata, I've made quite a few trans-inclusive friends from Mumsnet who I now speak to away from this site. Every single one of them is a lesbian! And yes, I mean the biological kind.

I know that's neither here nor there, it just contextualises my opinions on the whole "trans is anti lesbian" argument, because... that's not what I'm hearing from these lesbians.

it’s just utter crap, isn’t it?

I grew up in a time when it was dangerous to be out. But there were bars, socials, a women’s bookstore, women’s groups - all this is a very isolated, small town. There was a community.

what do young lesbians have now? Catgirls? Furries? Anime?

Oh yeah, well my lesbians say different, and they are not just biological but also supersonic and mildly radioactive so nerrrr

Is that to me Madge? What's with the tone? Shock horror, a variety of opinions are available. If you have a scroll through even just this thread you'll see that I'm not the one implying otherwise.

No, a variety of opinions are not possible

there is the correct opinion and there is thoughtcrime

please report to your nearest beheading station for re-education

this is basic 101 stuff, don’t make me charge you for emotional labour

This thread has made me crave prosecco and Christmas cake. Is it hometime yet?

And lesbian has a specific meaning = a homosexual female.

Why can't men leave women alone? They are obsessed with us.

Why can't men leave women alone?

In the context of these threads, it's more like, why can't some women realise that some other women want me to leave them alone.

I don't doubt there are 'trans inclusive lesbians'. Maybe it's too harsh to suggest they're somewhat akin to the 'I'm all right, Jill' nonfeminist woman.... but it's not ok for women who don't mind males in their spaces to prioritise males over those women who - for good reason - do mind.

want me to leave them alone

Men, not me. (Though that might also be true)

please report to your nearest beheading station for re-education

Ah, I see your point, I have absolutely transgressed. I will turn myself over, and if I ever hear a woman say she can't fancy a man in women's underwear on account of being straight, I will insist she comes with me.

Well I'm mostly straight and no, I'm not attracted to men in women's underwear any more than I'm attracted to men in brown polyester slacks.

Lesbian orientation is not just about mere biological sex. Gender presentation and anatomy are interlinked and interdependent, and sexual orientation is a combo of both, unique to each individual.

If your threads were homophobic or suggested only one sort of lesbian was acceptable, of course they were deleted. No-one should be forced or shamed into any sexual activity or partner, regardless of whats "PC" or "woke".

everyone is now compelled to be attracted to anyone who wants that unless they don’t want that in which case they are oppressed because no one wants their attraction

alternatively, preemptive beheading station queue forms just there on the extreme right and left

And men, whether feminine-presenting, pre-op or post-op, do not get to determine whether women should sleep with them. Feminism 101.

ArchbishopOfBanterbury this really.

It's ok for a trans person (MtF) to be attracted to women and to hope someone will be interested back.

What's not fine is to demand a woman is interested in you, I think whether that is because you are the wrong sex for them or simply because they don't fancy you.

It's fine to be sad and disappointed about it, just don't try and shame someone into having sex with you.

Of course, if your sex and gender don't match your available pool will be reduced, which is tough but inevitable.

I'm always a bit confused by this. I understand that some men who identify as women also identify as lesbian.

So why can't they go for straight / bi women as partners?

A straight woman is likely to find them too feminine (obviously not all) and might also be weary of discrimination (because it would appear to be a lesbian relationship).

Wensleydale is the only right and proper foodstuff to be eaten with christmas/fruit cake.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

What you've just said could be considered bigoted and transphobic because suggesting a trans woman seeks a straight woman for their sexual relationships it implies you don't see the trans woman as a woman but as a male.

A lot of the nasty stuff I've seen online and all this "cotton ceiling" stuff is more about forcing women to comply and validate the biological lie that they have changed sex and should now accept biological males as sexual partners because they feel like a woman.

I don't think many straight men would have sexual relationships with trans men and I don't think straight men get the same nasty shit that lesbians do for not wanting to suck a woman's dick.

Almost like no matter how anyone identifies females are told and expected to do what males want while males can choose for themselves.