MNHQ - why are you so squeamish about any discussion about leaving the EU

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I know there is a Brexit board - and very valuable it is too. I know you don't want AIBU flooded with Brexit related topics. But why are you moving genuine AIBU threads onto the Brexit board? They are proving popular at engaging MNers who don't frequent the Brexit topic and are very informative. You allow so many "posting here for traffic" threads to stay. You've told me you get a lot of reports/complaints - why give in to the people who are trying to stifle debate and information sharing? It's like you're encouraging the dumbing down of MN.

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I have got brexit fatigue yes, plus I know getting involved in arguments on brexit threads does me no good, but I’m weak & I’d get sucked in if I saw a thread come up in active convos. That’s why I have to hide the brexit board for my own good. So you could argue that it’s not fair on someone like me, who’s doing their best to avoid getting into pointless arguments, having to see brexit threads in AIBU.
Brexit threads are rarely ‘educational’ they more often than not end up in a bun fight as we both know.
Brexit has it’s own board with plenty of people posting on it, why is that not enough?
Do you honestly think you’re some sort of public information service and the posters on chat & AIBU need educating?

Surfer, I think the ‘education’ I recommended was help with finding the Brexit board.

I am pretty confident that all of those complaining wish to shut down conversation.

You know everything about every poster? Wow.

I think a lot of people have Brexit fatigue.
But then when I dint want to read anymore about crap Relationship or abuse, I just dint read the thread and hide them when they just keep come back. I haven’t seen anyone asking Relationhsip thread in AIBU onbe moved.
So why about Brexit???

I seem to remember it started during the referendum campaign and some people got annoyed at the number of threads on it so demanded a separate section to hide everything.
It wasn’t done because Brexit was such a huge important issue. It was done because a lot of people didn’t want to hear about it. It was done to hide the subject so very few threads on Brexit now make the trending section...

I personally think it’s a shame when we are talking about one of the most important events in british history.

And it certainly is going into length not seen for any other subject....

Brexit has it’s own board with plenty of people posting on it, why is that not enough?

1- because actually finding the Brexit threads isn’t easy, unlike let’s say relationship or IABU
2- you first need to know there is such a things as Brexit threads
3- the first two been confirmed by the fact you find more or less always the same posters in there. A bit like the feminist boards. But it’s allowed to talk about feminist issues on AIBU...
4- why is it ok to treat Brexit as a subject in a different way than any other subject??

I haven’t seen anyone asking Relationhsip thread in AIBU onbe moved.
So why about Brexit???

Plenty of threads are moved from AIBU to relationships, as are the Christmas ones.

Sorry witches it was meant to be
I haven’t seen anyone asking Relationhsip thread in AIBU TO BE moved.

I fully agree with you. Plenty of Relationhsip threads in AIBU that are staying there.

I think it's generally OK to move threads if they are very niche and where there isn't really an AIBU and that does apply to some Brexit threads.

OTOH moving threads with a wider interest is just giving in to a small group of people who could - if they were not such special little snowflakes - just avoid clicking on the thread.

Think MN has got this one mostly very wrong tbh, though possibly for understandable reasons (not enough mods to police any bust-ups).

Yes witches, that’s exactly what I said .

You seem to be spoiling for a fight for some reason. I shall leave you to it.

I think MN have got this wrong to-assuming there are complaints, the complaints must be from a particular standpoint regarding EU membership. By moving the AIBU threads debate and information sharing with a wider audience is being stifled.

There are many threads on AIBU that should be removed to relationships or parenting. Why is anything EU related treated differently?

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Brexit and the implications of leaving the EU needs a wider audience than a hidden thread and MNHQ should support this.

the complaints must be from a particular standpoint regarding EU membership

Why? I am a remainer I am glad they have their own section.

God I wish I had Brexit fatigue - oh the luxury of not giving a toss! But if I did get it (fatigue), I wouldn't have an attack of the vapours and insist it was moved out of my sight.

I have brexit fatigue. But as a british immigrant living in another EU country I can't hide it away and pretend it doesn't exist.

Let's do some fact finding. A sort of public information request.

Will Mumsnet disclose how many views an average AIBU receives per day compared to the number of views on a thread in the Brexit section?

I'm not sure I entirely buy the complaint line. I think it's probably more a question of MNHQ (perhaps understandably) being unsure and ultra cautious as to how to handle this and which political line to take.

I personally think that's a shame when they have been very brave and allowed Mumsnetters to be outsooken wrt other potentially contentious topics. Facts (as opposed to dangerous falsehoods) should be allowed to be aired.

I agree with the poster on the other thread who said this topic is too large and wide-reaching to be coralled in to one area. The decision to leave the EU is the most significant step taken by a UK government since the second world war. It's implications will be felt wrt economic prosperity, food, health, education, and most importantly, and as such, will have a huge impact on all of our children's futures. As this is a parenting website, we should therefore be allowed to have Brexit threads in all the appropriate related topics.

And I'm sorry, but I have no time for those people who find Brexit boring. It's too important an issue to be dismissed like that.

It's not about giving a toss, it's about frantically desperately moaning every day, going over and over the same ground, scrabbling about to dissect some new news. A lot of people don't want to do that over something they have no control over.

The Brexit topic appears in active. If people are interested they'll follow them in and the people who have purposely hidden the topic don't have to see them.

It's the internet equivalent of some dude walking down the street with a placard and a bell saying the end is neigh.

I am going to be petulant and bombard MNHQ with requests to move threads in AIBU to the ‘correct’ boards eg ‘Is this dress ok to wear to a wedding?’ should be moved to Style and Beauty;
AIBU to think that DH should do more housework? should be moved to Relationships;
AIBU to think that ‘I’m a Celebrity....’ won’t work without Ant? should be moved to Films and TV etc etc etc

That's fair enough Gamerchick - if you want to do the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears wrt this issue then you don't need to click on a thread - but there are a fair few of us on here who feel entirely the opposite. We want to discuss and challenge empty rhetoric and share information. We feel that important issues were not aired sufficiently at the time of the referendum, and falsehoods were casually swallowed by the public, by some mps and journalists alike, and we desperately want to put that right. Many times over if that's what it takes even to change one person's mind.

It's not about giving a toss, it's about frantically desperately moaning every day, going over and over the same ground, scrabbling about to dissect some new news. A lot of people don't want to do that over something they have no control over

Why not just not click on the thread then ? Scroll on past instead ?

Unfortunately, the End really Is Nigh. And people badly need to know about it, so that they can take steps to protect their families.

gamer the difference is that the bloke with the sandwich board predicting the End of the World can be laughed off fairly easily whereas Brexit is actually happening and is going to have a huge influence on everyone’s lives for a long time to come.
Seeing as it is children and young people who are likely to bear the heaviest brunt of this mess, I don’t understand why a parenting website is so desperate to tuck it away somewhere.

Its cause people who voted for it would rather ignore it.

Lots of heads in the sand.

Also cause MN allowed pro leave astroturfers to be all over the place prior to the vote who all quickly vanished afterward, having used the machinery of MN to get rid of remain posters who got wound up.