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Post deletions but MNHQ not against talk guidelines?

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ShirleyPhallus · 14/08/2018 20:34

Hi MNHQ

I have posted twice on a thread to ask for clarification around talk guidelines - my post has simply asked how come so many posts are being deleted which don’t seem to contravene guidelines... except those posts are being deleted too.

Please can you clarify what is breaking talk guidelines?

The thread is this, and at the moment posters are just saying which accounts they like - nothing controversial or inflammatory

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3335830-To-think-that-instagram-has-jumped-the-shark?msgid=80222878#80222878

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Breadsticksandhummus · 14/08/2018 20:40

MNHQ I posted making the point that if you were going to take down posts simply mentioning an instagrammer's name (NOT a personal attack), then this should be added to talk guidelines. You messaged me ticking me off for having several posts contravening talk guidelines when NONE of my posts were personal attacks. I hadn't even seen you'd posted on the thread til after you sent me that message telling me off!

I just had another post deleted. It said "Jesus." That was all. Just - "jesus". How is THAT against talk guidelines?

Why are you being so tap happy with the deletions on that thread? And why are you deleting messages asking for clarification on this new rule you seem to have arbitrarily introduced?

langkaw · 14/08/2018 20:54

There were no personal attacks on that thread, no bullying. Why was discussion censored? Are we not allowed to discuss individual Instagram accounts now unless it's positive? Do the same rules apply to Teresa May or Katie Price? If not why not? If things are happening on instagram that warrant discussion why can we not discuss? Does the same apply to current affairs? It's all very murky and I really thought opinions were welcome on here as long as they meet guidelines. This is depressing mumsnet.

MarthaArthur · 14/08/2018 20:56

I asked mnhq to look at a dodgy thread once. They agreed then when i checked they had deleted one of my posts as a personal attack but left 2 posts personally attacking me. So their moderation seems personal and strange.

ItsColdNow · 14/08/2018 21:04

I was personally attacked once and reported the comments. They left me feeling very upset (yes I have mental health problems too) and MNHQ refused to remove them, they were reported by other users as well as bullying and the response was that they were within chat guidelines. I myself have had comments removed that were far less personal and direct. I imagine that due to high traffic volumes and a recent suicide attempt they have made a decision to delete anything associated with certain accounts.

boredyboredy · 14/08/2018 21:04

I think it would be VERY helpful for some clear guidance on this and it to be applied consistently. There are opinions on other IGers on my thread whichhavd not been deleted but one particular one seems to be above others. While I appreciate that the thread was being derailed I personally think that came directly from people specifically seeking out that thread to post abuse without reading the thread.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/08/2018 21:06

What with this and the removing posts with no trace (no deletion message) MNHQ need to have a look at their moderation policy.

Hangingaroundtheportal · 14/08/2018 21:10

Yes it does seem to be a bit trigger happy regarding certain people.

It's a bit like SWMNBN again....

EeebyMum · 14/08/2018 21:10

That thread is ridiculous. All the deletions leaves the thread open to interpretation and lets people weave their own fake history into what has actual been said.

LaPampa · 14/08/2018 21:10

Did you get the email from mumsnet about this the other night?

Which included the following:

“Mumsnet is all about people sharing their authentic opinions, so we don’t insist on ‘fluffiness’ - we think that straight talking is valuable and useful, and we allow what we call ‘robust debate’. But we don’t allow personal attacks under any circumstances - we know most influencers expect to be critiqued more than the average Joe, but we’re not okay with meanness or spite, or mockery.
In practice, this means that it’s OK to criticise an influencer’s actions, and within reason to critique their manner and approach. But it’s never on to mock them, to criticise their personal appearance, or to call them names; we’re also likely to remove posts which imply that emotional abuse is going on, for example, without real backup.
There are lots of grey areas, as you can imagine, and we spend a lot of time discussing them. Often, it comes down to tone of voice - we generally take a dim view of posters who repeatedly express their opinion in a sneery or contemptuous tone.
One challenging area is what are known as ‘pile ons’, where legitimate criticism is repeated so often that it starts to feel unkind. This can be tricky - how many times exactly can something be said before it becomes mean? What if other posters are disagreeing, so the critical posters feel they’re simply arguing their case? We generally find that a reminder from one of our mods is the best approach, so please do use the report button if you think this is happening.“

Hangingaroundtheportal · 14/08/2018 21:12

All the deletions leaves the thread open to interpretation and lets people weave their own fake history into what has actual been said.

Yes that is true actually. So people can say that the deleted posts (of which there are now many on that thread) were abusive personal attacks, MN is full of toxic bitches yada yada yada. When actually they have been deleted because they mention a certain person and for some reason MN have no decided that that person can't even be mentioned.

boredyboredy · 14/08/2018 21:14

The frustrating thing is a lot of those posts that were deleted didn’t mention anyone!

WhatchaMaCalllit · 14/08/2018 21:20

I don't know why MN Admins don't lock a thread so no more posts can be made to it rather than deleting posts in it, leaving it open to interpretation as to what was in the deleted post and also leaving it open for others to post on.
Surely a final post by admins saying "We're locking this thread and will delete any TAAT. We will not be deleting individual posts in this thread." or something to that effect, even if the thread hasn't reached it's 1000 post limit.

Pommes · 14/08/2018 21:21

I was deleted (first ever deletion in over 6yrs on Mumsnet) within 1 minute of posting to ask MNHQ about our right of reply. Perhaps here is a better place to do so.

There are accusations, some that I would argue are thoroughly questionable, levelled at Mumsnetters. The accusers are using means (e.g. Instagram stories) which don't allow a public response, and if there are disagreeable responses (e.g. on the grid) the Instagrammer can simply delete and block.

So, where is our space to mount a logical defence against unfair accusations? How can we do so if all channels silence us?

You would think it would be in Mumsnet's interest to let comments refuting publicly-made accusations stand, but apparently not.

Pommes · 14/08/2018 21:23

I also agree with the deletion messages seeming to confirm the accusations of bullying, to an outsider who may have been directed here after watching an Instagram story, having never used Mumsnet before.

EeebyMum · 14/08/2018 21:24

I agree completely with the points you’ve raised @pommes

boredyboredy · 14/08/2018 21:25

And surprise @Pommes those stories appear to now have disappeared Hmm

DoubleNegativePanda · 14/08/2018 21:27

This reminds me of SWMNBN on a rocket. It's so stupid not to be allowed to talk about someone on the internet. MNHQ must really be afraid of lawsuits.

Breadsticksandhummus · 14/08/2018 21:31

I think it was totally outrageous my posts were deleted, I made no personal attacks whatsoever.

boredyboredy · 14/08/2018 21:33

I have no idea what SWMNBN is but sounds intriguing!

I know that they keep on saying things are not new but really - I think they are. Swathes of posts have been happily deleted on my thread and loads of them have nothing to do at all with slating a certain person who shall not be named. So the goal posts HAVE moved and I think clearer guidelines need to be published.

ItsColdNow · 14/08/2018 21:41

My post was deleted that suggested letting that account know that they had the wrong idea about the thread and what had been said. But that was deleted so it is just going to look like all the comments were nasty...

ShirleyPhallus · 14/08/2018 21:43

Completely agree with all the points raised on here, and I take umbrage that there isn’t an “official” statement on behalf of MNers that there is no bullying to any one individual. Being too trigger happy with deletions when they don’t break talk guidelines just gives outsiders the view that bullying is occurring, when it really hasn’t.

My posts on that thread have now been reinstated

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Hangingaroundtheportal · 14/08/2018 21:45

I agree with Pommes post at 21:21.

ShirleyPhallus · 14/08/2018 21:46

I agree with Pommes post at 21:21.

As do I

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ivegotatheoryitcouldbebunnies1 · 14/08/2018 21:55

The posts about said instagrammer needed to be removed, whether you agreed with what was going on or not, when someone is that fragile they need to go. Personally I’d like to think that if anymore appear they’ll be removed too.

I do somewhat agree with what @eeebymum said above though with so many gone (quite a few that went that had nothing to do with the issue) fake history could be a problem. But I’d rather see that than watch someone unravel over posts about them on here.

Breadsticksandhummus · 14/08/2018 21:58

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