Deleted for calling someone out on gender stereotyping

[Feenie]

Absolutely appalled. I called a poster out for posting the worst kind of gender stereotyping bollocks (possibly exact words) and was deleted.

Wtaf?

I didn't contravene any guidelines, unless we 're adding swearing now. I merely said that the post was 'a load of gender stereotyping bollocks'. Which it was. That was it. Which guidelines does that contravene? I'm very happy to be deleted if required, but come on!

And yes smeaton much more in the fruity spirit!

'A bit much' used to be 'beyond the pale' when it was all a bit posher/more boarding schooly round here.

Having read the thread now, I can't understand the deletion at all.

But also, it's a bit worrying that MNHQ appear to have gone against their own policy, of not letting members know who reported them.

Surely that sort of thing will encourage tit for tat reporting?

I'm not saying for a second that the OP would do that btw, but am I wrong in thinking MNHQ have always maintained that reporting is anonymous?

Is the politically correct term now “lady bollocks”, I wonder? 🤔

Still baffled by the whole debacle

This is why we need actual rules from you now HQ, or at least update those "guidelines".

@WorraLiberty

I think it's already a tit for tat reporting by the poster who reported Feenie. Her/his former post was challenged by many current teachers. Feenie was one of them, I believe. And unluckily, she was an only teacher challenging the poster on the thread. I just wish MNHQ has seen the bigger picture, rather than deleting the post from one of the most respected teacher on primary board, who has always been helpful to many parents who need help.

Are all the posts saying amber necklaces for teething is bollocks going to be deleted too? (Other thread)

Surely we are allowed to call bollocks when we see them.

Thanks for posting the link. I’ve just reported the “sadly you have a boy” post on the grounds that it is gender stereotyping bollocks and shouldn’t be allowed on mumsnet. Will see if I get a response.

I really wonder if MNHQ are getting sucked into the whole trans debacle - seems like Feenie got deleted for attacking gender stereotyping, which I know has happened on a lot of other social media boards when trans activists have got involved.

Are MNHQ going to come back to this, or is it a case of 'I'm the parent and I've spoken' and won't discuss it with us 'children' anymore?

What a load of bollocks.

MNHQ will just wait for the thread to die out, it's what they normally do.

I agree with you, Feenie. Your post struck me as playing the ball, not the player.

MN, would it be possible to re-consider the deletion? Thank you.

I really can't understand why the initial post stood but yours was deleted.

It was gender stereotyping and it was bollocks

Just bumping this: MNHQ - can you come back to this and respond to some of the concerns, please? Especially the question of what you mean by “not in the spirit of MN” and also whether that means gender stereotyping is in the spirit of MN. Also, with regard to the poster who says they were deleted for saying that men cannot change into women - are we not permitted to state scientific fact any more either?

I think these are really quite important questions that deserve a response.

MNHQ I’m going to report this post as well just to make sure you’re seeing this thread!

[https://www.mumsnet.com/SearchArch?search_origin=mobile&mustmatch=Bollocks&dontmatch=&nickname=&fromDate=&toDate=]

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There’s a pattern to deletions that has come about fairly recently. And there’s a pattern of interaction that has moved from an adult “oh I say, that’s not on!” to a parental “you are naughty. Go and sit on the naughty step for a week”

I don’t know if they e employed some new mods who don’t actually understand what the spirit of Mumsnet has always been, or if whoever is moderating has gone power mad and isn’t no longer capable of critical thinking and evidence based reactions, but the word “bollocks” never used to be considered a personal attack that needed to be deleted.

Something has changed. I would love to know WHAT has changed, and WHY it has changed, and what this change is predicted to achieve.

And denying that there has been a change in the face of clear evidence to the contrary isn’t cutting the mustard anymore MNHQ. It’s not in the spirit of Mumsnet is it?

Bumping this.

And everything colditz said.

Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks, bollocks and did I say bollocks?

I'm serious.

I would like clarification about

a) when (and why) "the Spirit of Mumsnet" started to included not saying Bollocks to people, or telling them they are wrong.

b) why MNHQ stopped leaving the MORE than capable denizens of Mumsnet to deal with their own personal insult incidents and started deleting posts simply because they were reported

c) what 'level of aggression' is actually considered appropriate? The 'spirit of mumsnet' has always been an aggressive little fuckstain, why muzzle her now?

d) why MNHQ has started handing out bans and deletions left, right and centre, essentially 'naughty stepping' grown women, when this is something that simply did not ever happen before, regardless of how angry, aggressive and sweary people got. The culture has become teacher and student, or parent and child, rather than peer to peer. We are adults having discourse. We are peers. We are not children for you to silence and punish. When did THAT become "the Spirit of Mumsnet"??

MNHQ, you didn't muzzle us after the Gina Ford debacle, why start now?

WHAT HAPPENED?

Yes, I would be interested, too. The email exchange after a recent deletion made me think I am talking to someone who has never been on MN, a temp perhaps.

I would also like to see an end to covert email exchanges and shady "not in the spirit of mumsnet" explanations for deletions.

How about some clarity on policy and some transparency on decision making?

And if not, WHY not?