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Word of advice to MNHQ

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Hahahahaha123 · 23/08/2017 17:35

The next time you send an email about a poster to that poster by mistake. Probably best not to refer to your users as 'these people'

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DixieNormas · 24/08/2017 14:46

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/08/2017 14:47

Yy.

How hard can it be for MNHQ to send an automated email if:

  • you report a thread /pm
  • if you have a post deleted
  • if you have been suspended
  • if you have been banned

As a pp said a lot of this is down to poor communication.

endehors · 24/08/2017 14:47

The unsolved mysteries sub Reddit was mentioned on here recently. Interesting reading.

TalkinBoutNuthin · 24/08/2017 14:48

Wow, this is really sad. You will ban people for even a hint of troll hunting, yet the sheer cuntyness of some responses to posters on AIBU, for example, is allowed to stand.

I'm one of the old timers too, but name change frequently enough that no one would know me. Been around for around 10 years though. I remember having a post deleted for something that was way milder than what we see regularly now.

MadamePomfrey · 24/08/2017 14:48

I have lurkerd/post on a lot of these threads lately and I think part of the problem is HQ keep saying we weren't aware of this/we didn't know this was how it was happing etc take the above comment about replying to reports there was a whole thread on it with comments from HQ on it so it doesn't fill people with confidence that things are being looked into. report thread

I get things can't change instantly but reeling out the same old lines are making things better!

DixieNormas · 24/08/2017 14:48

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TheNiffler · 24/08/2017 14:50

No, it was announced a while back, it very clearly stated that reports would no longer get an automatic response.

Not that there would be no response.

Which is probably what inevitably leads to multiple reporting. I wanted to know they'd received my report, and I wanted something done.

PerfumeIsAMessage · 24/08/2017 14:51

Thing is, most people on this thread have been around mammy forums long enough to know that if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc it's unlikely to be a zebra.
I laugh at my naivety on Babycentre 16 yrs ago when I had to ask what a troll was. Now, thanks to 14 on here, my trolldar is well-honed, just like many others on this thread. My own warning mail came on the back of a troll thread. I am genuinely bemused though why people who spot trolls are dissed so roundly, tbf not usually by HQ (unless it's a longterm "well-loved" troll Wink) but by other MNers. Wtf is that about? The old "troll hunters are worse than trolls" shire that gets trotted out every time one is unmasked. Can only guess that the anti troll hunters are the intelligence impaired mutts who race to be first to reach for the PayPal account the minute this week's sobstory goes up.

It's also an easy way of covering your own inconsistent arse to claim after the fact that "durrrr of course I changed some details in my story"

That's surely a fine line to be treading and whilst it seems eminently reasonable to do so, where does it actually end? When DOES the poster who changes details become a lying troll? How many details have to be changed? Or does it all hang in the intention? But then who gets to decide?

I do think that there are some posters who overestimate their personal value to MN and think that by virtue of their "name" or style, or longevity or whatever, they can do what they want and HQ will acquiesce. HQ are making it clear that ain't so anymore. Rightly or wrongly.

Dunno what the answer is tbh.

(In the interests of disclosure I'm not on reddit, am/was DrankSangria/Bucharest etc)

BackieJerkhart · 24/08/2017 14:56

Yes it send you cross eyed doesn't it Backie? smile #gimmer

I'm totally baffled! Do you get to escape the MN banhammer if you can't use Reddit? Grin

MudGolum · 24/08/2017 14:56

"As far as we are aware, every report receives an automatic response from us."

No.

zzzzz · 24/08/2017 14:58

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53rdWay · 24/08/2017 15:00

Yy Perfume. Also think the way MN (rightly or wrongly) handles confirmed trolls, by deleting troll threads and not allowing discussion about them after the fact, means that a lot of people just don't realise they were trolls in the first place so don't develop their troll-scanning radar. It probably does look like MN is full of meanie troll hunters if you take every post at heartfelt face value and are unaware that people make shit up on the internet.

PerfumeIsAMessage · 24/08/2017 15:04

Absolutely. Once someone is unmasked as a troll there should be as many damn threads as MNs want there to be about them and they should be named and shamed on a sticky. Energy sucking dementors getting their rocks off by exploiting the kind, the generous and yes, sometimes unfortunately the terminally stupid.

TheNiffler · 24/08/2017 15:09

Set comments to 'New', otherwise it gets muddled. Pop into 'TwasAllFields', and we'll walk you through it

lrb978 · 24/08/2017 15:11

Another who has been here many (10) years, though in my case I lurk much much more than post. The tone from posters (generally) and MNHQ has changed in that time, and not for the better, but I think it is because of something like this:

(NB: Big boss - Justine. HR - MNHQ. Staff - long term/regular posters. Customers - occasional posters/lurkers)

A small family firm is set up. HR are basically some of the staff with extra duties. Everyone knows everyone, from the big boss down to some of the regular customers. HR knows which staff/customers to believe when they point out something is wrong, and which staff/customers are likely to be causing problems.

Over time the firm grows. A merger happens. The big boss is less involved in the day to day structure and HR move towards becoming a separate department. Some of that 'one big family' feeling is lost. Some staff leave, some customers move on.

A second merger occurs. Now the big boss has no involvement in the day to day running of the firm, unless a big problem occurs. HR are totally devolved from the staff on the shop floor, with little knowledge of peoples personalities and behaviours. Customers are just numbers to justify the firms existence. Now when staff member A points out to HR that staff member B is being very economical with recording the holiday they take, staff member A is labelled a trouble maker. The same happens when staff member C notes that there is a person paying exclusively with 1p coins again - despite the fact that every time a person (the same person in a different outfit) comes in paying in 1p coins, half the stock in the shop goes missing. However when customer X complains that staff member D has been rude to them, staff member D gets the sack. Because HR have no knowledge of the staff and customers any more, they don't know that staff members A&C are usually totally correct at seeing suspicious patterns of behaviour and flagging them up correctly, that staff member B is known to push boundaries when there is a new line manager, and that customer X is in the process of an acrimonious divorce with staff member D and the accusation is totally malicious.

So some staff are sacked, other staff walk away - indeed they are told that if they don't like their jobs any more, they know where the door is - and are now easily replaced because the firm is well known in the area and can easily afford to advertise vacant positions. Because of the adverts, new customers constantly come and browse, some apply for and gets vacant staff positions.

And through all this, the big boss and the firm are holding onto the 'one big family' idea that the firm started with. But it isn't the same one big family any more. In fact it is several generations, with second and third cousins, step parents/siblings/children and many other family member types not found in the original family set-up.

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Personally, I have learnt an awful lot from MN over the years, from the feminism boards, relationships, the SN sections, even aibu and _chat. I have read threads with so much support given to the OP, for so many reasons. I have read threads that have made me laugh out loud, I have shed the occasional tear. I have silently cheered people on, I have shut threads in disgust at the attitude of the OP. Over the last 12-18 months I have been shutting threads more often than not because of the attitude of the posters on the thread towards the OP, rather than the OP's attitude itself (and that's ignoring the number of threads I quickly back out of because they scream troll at me). I wonder how threads would go if they were posted now, rather than when they were. A poster asking WSBU to ask her DH to pick up some milk and a loaf of bread on his way home from work. A poster posting in total disbelief having come home from work to a house which has been stripped of everything owned/bought by her DH. A poster who has children with disabilities and a partner diagnosed with a terminal illness. They may or may not get support, but it would be very different to what the actual posters I am thinking of were given at the time they were posting.
I don't see any way of getting it back though.

Maryz · 24/08/2017 15:18

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TheNiffler · 24/08/2017 15:22

I miss Mitmoo. She was a better quality troll.

PerfumeIsAMessage · 24/08/2017 15:24

The poo troll crops up every so often. The way to spot them is by the wide berth given by MNers of yore whilst the noobs splut tea over their keyboards.
Can meander into how lovely and hilarious farting is at times these days too.
Usually carries 5-6 socks alongside who berate the "stfu you disgusting troll" posters.

Maryz · 24/08/2017 15:28

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zeezeek · 24/08/2017 15:35

Some folk seem to have an entertaining combination of a very over inflated sense of their own importance to a site that serves millions, and a lack of understanding of how sites/ businesses function.

So many overemotional and irrational responses to what is basically just a forum on the internet. Bloody hell, the entitlement of some people. Just because you have hung around for a long time it doesn't actually mean you are anything special.

PandorasXbox · 24/08/2017 15:37

Surely it's telling HQ something just by the amount of emails they're sending out to members regarding troll hunting etc.

There's a huge amount of posters frustrated by the fact that this place has been ruined by trolls.

It's unfair to ignore us and threaten us with being banned.

Butteredparsn1ps · 24/08/2017 15:41

I appreciate it can be tricky to absolutely prove someone is trolling, but there are plenty of threads where there is a high evidence of suspicion. I know I report these, and am confident that I am not alone in doing so,

I know longer receive any communication from HQ and am not reassured that my reports are being read or acted upon.

I frequently see, these suspect threads, in trending, and worse in TRU - driving more traffic to them. Would it be possible to prevent threads where suspicions have been raised being highlighted like this? I would have a higher level of confidence that troll threads are not used to drive clicks and advertising if they didn't have such high profiles.

IdoHaveAName · 24/08/2017 15:41

I haven't spotted a troll in an age. Hard to see how the site is over-run with them?

Butteredparsn1ps · 24/08/2017 15:41

no longer... FFS

Ceto · 24/08/2017 15:41

SandyMN, that explanation for Sciatica's thread doesn't really work. You reinstated her, she started a new thread which you apparently had no problem about leaving up, and she posted on at least a couple of threads. All the while you were still telling people you were looking into it, and indeed you were saying that only yesterday. And, as people pointed out, many if not most of us make sure we put a few inconsistent facts into our posts to avoid identification. If you thought she was a troll, you wouldn't have reinstated her; and if you thought she wasn't, surely her thread should have been reinstated.