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Can we have a board for people to rant about trans stuff?

88 replies

HoneyIshrunktheBiscuit · 28/07/2017 12:08

Because I'm sick of clicking on a thread in aibu or chat and seeing vile being sprouted when the title gave no inclination that it was another anti-trans thread. It's getting boring now.

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EyeHalveASpellingChequer · 28/07/2017 20:46

ChardonnaysPrettySister

There's actually just been a suggestion for a neighbours/parking topic!

SuburbanRhonda · 29/07/2017 09:45

Cause I'm bloody sick of reading them, yet can't resist clicking on them when I see them.

So clearly the problem is your lack of self-control, not the lack of a separate topic for trans threads

ApplesinmyPocket · 29/07/2017 09:50

No thanks. Shoved off and hidden away so the sleep-walking into our new post-truth world can carry on unchallenged?

Can't put it better than U2HastheEdge "...our fears about what this means for women and currently they are discussing a child who just had a double mastectomy. If these things don't bother you good for you. Just press the back button."

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 29/07/2017 09:52

I think you may have misread my post, rhonda Grin

treaclesoda · 29/07/2017 09:58

Right now in the UK in 2017 there is the potential for a law to be introduced that could potentially endanger women and girls. All women and girls. That's half the population. And yet attempts to discuss it are being shouted down as bigotry and hatred. And if the law is passed it will be all but impossible to reverse.

I think this erosion of debate and freedom of speech, alongside the bill itself, is the single most terrifying thing to happen in my lifetime. And I'm old enough to remember a lot of scary stuff.

SuburbanRhonda · 29/07/2017 10:00

Oh yes I think I did Blush

AncientRain · 29/07/2017 10:02

Why dont we have a section just for hand wringing
Then you can all be together, not engaging in any discussion, whining about the nasty women who don't recognise a penis as a female body part

JigglyTuff · 29/07/2017 10:05

Next to any post there is a handy report button. Click on it if you spot anything transphobic. It's that simple :)

AssignedMentalAtBirth · 29/07/2017 10:08

Think the OP has flounced

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 29/07/2017 10:18

'I think this erosion of debate and freedom of speech, alongside the bill itself, is the single most terrifying thing to happen in my lifetime. And I'm old enough to remember a lot of scary stuff'

I agree! And it's combined with the ideology that dismisses reality, facts and expert knowledge, and a belief in the idea that all opinions are equally valid. It's not just on this issue, this mindset is pervasive.

Sparklingbrook · 29/07/2017 10:36

Just hide the threads. Everything seems to be posted in AIBU now. 'For traffic'. Hmm

ChasingHighs · 29/07/2017 10:39

I just hide them. They just go round and round in circles and no one has anything new to say.

Strummerville · 29/07/2017 11:16

Nope. This affects everyone, and disproportionately affects women. It is fucking tragic that so many have been suckered into believing that ANY questioning of the doctrine is "hatred". It is dangerous zealotry and bullshit.

I saw the mastectomy thread and thought: how will the acolytes justify this one?
But naturally, they couldn't didn't. Just the usual spluttering about so-called transphobia, all of which boils down to " SHUT UP".

The average Joe on the street thinks transgenderism starts and ends with lovely Hayley Cropper off Coronation Street (played, of course, by a woman). Truth matters, even if it is ugly.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 29/07/2017 11:22

I've said for years that it's very convenient that the UKs most high profile trans role (i.e. Hayley Cropper) was a woman. Gives the impression that all transwomen are delicate and "womanly" bodied.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 29/07/2017 11:23

they didnt even pick a large framed woman (like me!) for the role!!

MorrisZapp · 29/07/2017 11:32

I read an article suggesting that for trans roles, they shouldn't use born sex actors. In other words, in a role like Jared Leto's in Dallas Buyers Club, the transwoman should have been played by a woman.

Because when men get on stage and collect Oscars for playing transwomen, this 'plays into the dangerous belief that transwomen are really men'.

Sallystyle · 30/07/2017 11:09

My sister hated my views. She called me transphobic on many occasions and she could not believe that I was so 'closed-minded'.

She messaged me a few days ago to tell me she was reading a forum with a feminist section (not MN) and was reading the similar arguments I had with her and she finally got it. She is now as scared as I am about how this is all going down and she has done a complete U-Turn.

If she was a MNer a week ago she would have been on this thread calling for us to have our own little forum 'to spread our hatred' I'm sure. Thankfully she stopped putting her fingers in her ears and actually listened to what we had to say and really spent some time considering it and what this new legalisation could mean for women and young girls.

Her prior arguments were the same as some people's here. We are just phobic and spreading hate. That was her argument for everything and it's the same for people on MN who accuse us of 'ranting about trans stuff'.

If you have a well thought out argument about why this new legalisation isn't dangerous for women, why it wouldn't be taken advantage of by men who just want to easily access our spaces and why it is ok for a 13 year old to have a double mastectomy and put children on puberty blockers please join us in a debate. All I have heard so far is 'transphobic' but never any well thought out arguments about why our concerns aren't valid.

Not one person that I have read who think we are transphobic has ever put across a well reasoned argument about why we might have this wrong. Why?

Datun · 31/07/2017 01:20

U2HasTheEdge

Not one person that I have read who think we are transphobic has ever put across a well reasoned argument about why we might have this wrong. Why?

Because there isn't one. It really is that simple.

The only argument that isn't a complete denial of science, biology, and women's oppression is 'just do it to be nice'. (Which in its own twisted way rather supports the argument of women's oppression...).

GerdaLovesLili · 03/08/2017 18:42

The thing about MIL threads and Parking threads is that they're pretty easy to identify and not click on if you have had it up to your ears with those topics. Perhaps if we now have to point out that we're not to be taken seriously by using the "light-hearted" tag, there should be a similar code for trans/womens rights threads. Then no-one who doesn't want to get dragged into the same circular "debate" has to even open them.

AssassinatedBeauty · 03/08/2017 20:17

That's unnecessary. It's a matter of seconds to close a thread that you don't want to read, it's not difficult. No need for any special codes, which would be totally unenforceable anyway.

GerdaLovesLili · 03/08/2017 20:46

Yes, but wouldn't it be nice? I just don't open anything that isn't obvious anymore. So. Many. Ambiguously. Titled. "Trans" threads. One might begin to think it was deliberate.

AssassinatedBeauty · 03/08/2017 20:49

Totally a conspiracy to force people to briefly scan a post before realising they're not interested and closing it. Not sure what grand plan that conspiracy is going to achieve...

CosmicPineapple · 03/08/2017 20:57

I posted a trans thread today. I spent longer on the title making sure it was explaining the trans content (so people did not open it get pissed and post in sight stuff) than I did on the actual post Confused

GerdaLovesLili · 03/08/2017 20:59

Thank you Cosmic Pineapple Flowers

It's not that I'm not interested in the debate, it's just that there doesn't seem to be anything new to add to it on here at the moment and it just goes round and round.

CosmicPineapple · 03/08/2017 21:17

I think thats true of most topics Gerda the ones in relationships go round and round so much there is a pinned post pointing out the obvious signs.

A topic will go around in circles until there is an end point. For me trans issues have a much more devestating impact on the world than mil issues and they (mil issues) dont have there own shoved in a corner board so trans issues should not either.

Just my own view.

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