Please could we have a trans issues sub board in feminism?

[DeviTheGaelet]

The feminism chat board is getting overrun by trans threads at the moment and becoming the de facto trans board as a result.
I understand people want to discuss this and also that some people want to be able to hide it, but there is a lot more to feminism than trans issues.
If we had a sub board then feminism chat could go back to being, you know, feminism chat.
What do you think?

Hear hear EatingMyWords.

It's not transphobia to recognise that transwomen are biological men. It's just reality.

Hark at your literal violence venus

The reason there are lots of threads on FWR (and elsewhere) about trans activism is because it's the biggest threat to women's rights in this country, and in others. The topic is in the news all the time and because it's so broad it turns up on lots of boards.

I can't see why trans issues should be classified as a sub board of FWR when there are plenty of women who don't identify as feminist - and who don't visit FWR - who object to the agenda. Look at the USA, where left and right wing women are working to protect women and girls. Trans is by no means solely a feminist issue.

Another vote against creating a sub board.

Good for you Eating, I care about women, the ones who are persecuted because of their biology. I am also sick of the homophobia that comes with the trans movement, lesbians being bullied into sex with males, young gay males who are told they are really girls. Add to that a dash of extreme sexism and it all gets a bit too much. Obviously it's a lot easier just to go along with it all than to really think about the impact this will have on Adult Human Females.

I care about women who are abused, but oddly (to you, it seems) I'm worried about male and female abusers, cis and trans abusers, and I also care about trans women who are abused by anyone too.

I'm sure some lesbians are bullied by trans women, the same as some trans women are bullied by lesbians. However both cis and trans women get far more violence from men, I'm quite surprised that isn't your major issue.

Cis is a bullshit word and offensive to some of us.

Transwomen are neither women nor bullied by lesbians on a major basis.

Cis strikes me a harmless and reasonably useful word.

I get that you don't agree, but you can't act like some holy annointed holder of Truth! and Feminism! and expect everyone else to See the Light! just because you the share the same few anecdotes over and over again (obnoxious brat at Edinburgh uni, creepy fucker from Canada who claims to be a six year old girl, prisoner with 'seven inch surprise', here you come again).

Ffs, when someone put up a post inviting people to the women's march the first posts were all 'So does that include trans women? Because if it does I'm not coming'.

How distorted does your worldview have to be where transwomen are more of a threat than Trump? How can it be comfortable to have a position on transexuals that you share with the Republican party, the most retrograde part of the Catholic Church and the kind of 4/chan-ite who tweets holocaust jokes and is all 'cuck' this and that?

How can it make sense to believe

A) Transwomen are cheating if they don't cut their dicks off
B) It's obscene and tragic that people with gender dysphoria are pushed towards surgery.

Gah!

(Yes, I'm female. Vulva vagina and all the rest. Yes I define as feminist. No, I don't think all feminists should agree with me. Yes on the whole I'm gender critical. No, I don't think everyone should agree with me on that either.)

I'm sure plenty of us would be happy to have a chat (on another thread perhaps) about where we're coming from, and promise not to reference Stephonknee or anyone else you'd rather not!
I think you may have slightly grasped the wrong end of the stick about the average radfem's views!
We're quite nice, despite popular opinion to the contrary!

(Sorry for all the !!!!)
Odd.

How can it make sense to believe

How does half of what the trans lobby believe make any sense? But I realise this isn't the place for that discussion. Very happy to engage elsewhere, if you wish.

However both cis and trans women get far more violence from men, I'm quite surprised that isn't your major issue.

For different reasons. I'm not going to centre transwomen in my feminism because I don't believe they are in any way the same as women or have much in common with women. You can worry about what you personally think is important, and I'll do likewise, thanks.

Well said Please.

I don't centre trans women, I do however treat them like any other women.

Good for you. I don't personally believe they are women nor ever will be, so you can perhaps understand why I'm not going to treat them as such. I'm not denying their human rights, I just don't take subjective "gender identity" as seriously as you appear to. That's all.

I hate the fact that men cannot be feminine, that's awful isn't it? Why is that, why is society so rigid that a man can't wear a dress if he wants. Who is it that's hurting men who dress in a traditional female role? Could we do something that helps men who want to dress in a feminine way?

I think this thread kinda proves my point about trans issues popping up all over.

It's true that expressing even slightly gender critical views gets you deleted and banned on much of the internet. This is wrong. If someone doesn't want something said, you should probably try to find out what it is. That's why I have absolutely no patience with people trying to shut it down here. Many people have had their eyes opened to the worrying implications of some of these issues on mumsnet. If you disagree, why not come and argue your points instead of whinging about it? No one is stopping you. Why not stand up for what you believe if we're so wrong?

Plenty of robust discussion on mumsnet. No one tiptoes around anyone's feelings particularly. Obviously the feminism board is going to be that way, and feelings run high. But like it or not, this is a big issue for all women and women aren't going to stop talking about it.

Dont think we should have a seperate forum