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Please could we have a trans issues sub board in feminism?

93 replies

DeviTheGaelet · 25/02/2017 21:55

The feminism chat board is getting overrun by trans threads at the moment and becoming the de facto trans board as a result.
I understand people want to discuss this and also that some people want to be able to hide it, but there is a lot more to feminism than trans issues.
If we had a sub board then feminism chat could go back to being, you know, feminism chat.
What do you think?

OP posts:
WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 27/02/2017 20:01

My specific issue is pretty much the entirety of feminist chat is trans related at the mo

Totally agree op. It kind of gives the impression the only way you can be a feminist on mumsnet is to be antitrans. I think it's really off putting for lots of people.

paxillin · 27/02/2017 20:04

I think it would be helpful to have a gender-critical or trans board in feminism. Most posters do not agree though. Most of the 300+ post threads in feminism chat are trans threads, so it appears this is indeed the most important feminism topic to many posters.

It is possible that not having a separate topic raises awareness of gender critical feminism. It is equally possible many people who would otherwise contribute simply hide FWR.

There's at least 15 sexes in mice. I imagine they studied sex chromosome abnormalities, such as deletions or trisomies. These are not "sexes" and they do of course exist in humans, too. People with Turner syndrome (XO) and triple X syndrome are females. People with Klinefelter syndrome (XXY or XXXY) or XYY syndrome are males. I am not convinced mice have a society complicated enough to develop gender identities.

hoddtastic · 27/02/2017 20:09

odd you should say that, it's exactly replicating my experiences of feminist spaces in real life too, full of trans / talking about it/ thinking about how to center born men in it...

i think you shouldn't hide it, you'd be selling out the sisterhood as so many women are unaware of what is coming if this bandwagon keeps rolling forth

PovertyPain · 27/02/2017 20:26

It is a feminist issue and as for other topics not being posted on, nobody is stopping those that are pushing for a sub board, from posting on the other topics. I suspect that some of those pushing for a sub board are more interested in hiding the trans issues rather than having genuine concerns for feminist issues or females in general.

TinselTwins · 27/02/2017 20:30

but there is a lot more to feminism than trans issues.. is exactly what the threads about transactivism are saying!

Have you read them? they are all about PROTECTING platorms for all these other issues

It is NOT a separate issue!

TheLittlePaperbagPrincess · 27/02/2017 20:39

Waiting for someone to suggest a Cis board in feminism instead because anything else would be transerasure.

The phrase transerasure always makes me think of Andy Bell bare chested in sequinned lederhosen and a feather boa.
"Stop!
Stand there where you are
Before you go to far,
Before you make a fool out of..."

Original poster
DeviTheGaelet · 27/02/2017 20:40

tinsel I am a regular contributor and have been for some years. In fact I had to dereg a previous name when it got picked up on twitter. If I as a gender critical feminist feel swamped on the board then it must be very bad for those who aren't GC.
Maybe I will just start using feminist theory....on my own...

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msrisotto · 27/02/2017 20:43

Afraid I don't support this. In fact, i'd rather the existing FWR sub forums were just amalgamated into the one main one. They are simply not popular enough to justify more offshoots.

TinselTwins · 27/02/2017 20:44

My specific issue is pretty much the entirety of feminist chat is trans related at the mo - so people can hide that board and there is nowhere to do other feminist chat

That.doesn't.even.make.sense.
Trans threads don't diable the "start a new thread in this topic" feature on th feminism section of MN.
You are just as able to start a thread on the feminism boards here about whatever you like as you always have been!

TinselTwins · 27/02/2017 20:45

"diSable"

IrenetheQuaint · 27/02/2017 20:45

"'I'd argue that male privilege and male violence have much more of a negative influence on most women's lives'

Er....that IS trans ideology."

Ha, I knew someone would say that! OK then, what I mean is that privilege and violence on the part of XY-born men with no interest in transing themselves or anyone else causes more misery to more women than even the worst of the transactivists.

TinselTwins · 27/02/2017 20:48

Ha, I knew someone would say that! OK then, what I mean is that privilege and violence on the part of XY-born men with no interest in transing themselves or anyone else causes more misery to more women than even the worst of the transactivists.

And what little protections we do have against biological males is being taken away from us by the trans lobby… but whatever… don't wanna bore you… Hmm

HiDBandSIL · 27/02/2017 20:56

Nope. I also don't support this.

PovertyPain · 27/02/2017 21:09

privilege and violence on the part of XY-born men with no interest in transing themselves or anyone else causes more misery to more women than even the worst of the transactivists

So XY-born men cause misery but men that want to call themselves women are different. Of course I see it all now! Only XY-born men want into female spaces and try to tell women what a woman is, how they should behave and how they should be happy to be called 'cis' women whereas they are entitled to be take the title WOMAN. Hang on, 🤔 that doesn't sound right. 😒

ladyballs · 27/02/2017 21:18

Another vote here for not setting up a sub forum.

Rozdeek · 27/02/2017 21:19

I don't think you can call yourself a feminist if you buy into the transagenda that woman is a feeling.

It's the antithesis of feminism IMO.

GurlwiththeCurl · 27/02/2017 22:05

Yes, another vote against a sub forum.

DioneTheDiabolist · 27/02/2017 22:07

I work with women badly damaged by men every day. I organise training for colleagues and students in how best to help women. Never, as in not even one of the women who has come through our doors has done so because of a transwoman or trans ideology.

It's just not a thing for the vast majority of women suffering in the UK today.

PageStillNotFound404 · 28/02/2017 00:24

Another vote for not setting up a sub-forum.

If there are sufficient posters interested in discussing specific non-trans feminist issues, those threads will start up and buzz along regardless of what's around them, surely?

Rozdeek · 28/02/2017 06:53

Dione but violence, abuse and misogyny women is part of the trans ideology.

I worked in DV for ten years. It's all circular. All part of the same narrative.

DioneTheDiabolist · 28/02/2017 08:27

Rox, tell me about this trans ideology.

Rozdeek · 28/02/2017 08:46

It's the idea that oppression of women based on their biology is all bollocks, because apparently men can "feel" like women and therefore be equally as oppressed.

I didn't see it a couple of years ago but I do now.

FirstShinyRobe · 28/02/2017 08:55

As is always the case when criticism of the content on the fwr boards comes up, my response is to post more of what you want to talk about. It's not a TV channel for your consumption!

DioneTheDiabolist · 28/02/2017 09:09

Roz, tell me specifically about the violence and abuse of women part of trans ideology.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 28/02/2017 12:00

The trans issue is one of the biggest which feminists have to deal with and respond to currently - of course it is part of feminist chat, and shouldn't be given a separate board just so people can avoid it.