Disablism

[BishopBrennansArse]

Shiny new thread.

Hopefully won't get derailed.

Moz not quite. I've been here a decade, but because I'm from the disabled community I'm dismissed.

some form of personal protection where we pass the baton to one another when things start getting personal to limit any individual's load.

Then it'll be ganging up, or SN bregade, or accused to group tactics... This type of thing only works of the majority, which makes it okay apparently, when minorities do it they get fucked.

I think we should stay off that thread now. Give them enough rope to hang themselves; they keep attacking us, just let them do it.

baton passing would on ly work with HQ's support

Sorry bishop I should clarify; it's a select few of long term posters who pop up regularly who are allowed to get away with this and often just shut anybody down that doesn't agree with them.

Give them enough rope to hang themselves

Rope, they will skip happily with it while we get abused for not making it long enough for their liking.

Now I'm a three hanky tear jerker. But that won't be deleted as a personal attack of course.

Pure nasty and spiteful and dismissive and silencing and belittling.

But allowed. Of course.

I'm dereging too now. Fuck it.

Pure nasty and spiteful and dismissive and silencing and belittling. But allowed. Of course.

For some, if you did it you'd be in trouble and your support network would be cut off.

Of course I would. But some are more equal than others here.

This is so fucked

Same posters, same bullshit

teacup you're so right

Oooohhhhh my nerves

And not one response from HQ.

Deliberately ignoring us.

I know that there's a fair bit of animosity towards HQ here at present, but it's not saying they wouldn't allow baton passing if we presented how we'd like to collectively move forwards in an attempt to prevent bun fights and keep debates educational rather than personal.

We're kind of at an impasse. What's been happening is actually losing steam for raising awareness.

It's not unusual for people to not put significant thought into issues which don't affect them directly.

Right now the phrase 'disabilism' on MN is probably more associated with a bun fight than a valid 'ism'. We need to be gentle chipping away at people's current perceptions and creating an inclusive society attitude shift.

How long does dereging take, it should be an instant thing surely?

We need to be gentle chipping away at people's current perceptions and creating an inclusive society attitude shift.

Some here have been trying that for 10 plus years now.

Flounc this also has been discussed at length, if we keep cutting and pasting the appeals to HQ maybe they will act?

Oh and by act I mean stop allowing disablism rather than deleting threads only after we have stood up for ourselves!

In the same way people are being gentle about disability being oh so welcome and included in society just as long as nobody has to be inconvenienced by it and disabled people are made to 'fit in'? As long as we're meek, mild and grateful, and accept disgusting posts about us and our children with nothing more than a smile and a nod?

I've been here for 10 years plus too. 11.5 I think it is.

Attitudes can take generations to change. They can and do change. It's not and almost never has been an overnight thing.

God I need to stop on that other thread now, it's upsetting me

Just been told that the three hanky tear jerker post doesn't break talk guidelines.

I was definitely deleted for far less last night

Ausernotanumber Tue 11-Oct-16 11:54:08

Imagine you're on a Feminism thread. And a man comes along and tells you all what you're doing wrong and how it's not misogynistic because xyz and they can't see any misogyny.

Then imagine how hurt you'd feel.

That's how some of those on this thread feel about you insisting there's no disablism.

Iam. That was me to BertrandRussell iirc.

Yup, am cherry picking. If we keep cutting and pasting the message won't be lost by thread deletion...

You have put your heart and soul into these threads and it has all deleted, I don't think it has to be that tiring considering we say the same over and over.

If I am wrong tell me and I will stop.

Stop de regging!

I've been here around 12 years and have changed from a rabid.right wing tosser to a complete lefty. Mainly through the conversations on here.

When my dd was v young a relative went on a training course (a day long!) and then phoned to tell me she had decided dd had autism. I had a post at the time, absolutely outraged that anyone could say that about my pfb Bee gently explained to me how offensive I was being and why.
It hadn't occured to me at all that I was being vile (by basically saying being called autistic was an insult).
Took me a while to get my head round it and I understand that people are too tired, fed up, exhausted to continue educating nicely all the time (why do we expect such high standards of 'niceness' from those educating about disability by the way??)... But it does change people. It's changed me completely. And yes dd is on the spectrum, mainly suffers from spd.
Anyway point of this waffle was - your words are read by many lurkers, if you can bear to stay, please do