Banning the term "cis"

[OlennasWimple]

Apologies if this had already been done, but can MNHQ consider banning the term "cis", given how horrifically offensive so many users of MN find it?

I don't think I need to set out the background and reasoning to this request (but can do so if it would help!)

I do not hate anyone. I just don't want to be called cis. I am a woman, I am a Mother I wear dresses or trousers, I have blonde hair and boobs and a vagina, I have breast fed and I am tolerant but I will not be called be called cis.

Apologies to those ttc

"I'm not a fan of that as a definition-that excludes those of us who have rubbish reproductive equipment "

No it doesn't. The definition says that female means OF THE SEX that can produce eggs and bear young. It doesn't say that if you haven't or couldn't, then you are not female.

You are still OF the sex that produces eggs or bears young. You are still NOT OF the sex that produces semen.

I know Claraoswald. Just think about that for a minute, really think about it.

Bizarre.

Oh wow, so many transphobic people. Let's ban those too while we are at it. Would be nice.

Cis is simply just the opposite of trans, it means identifying with the gender you were assigned at birth, just like straight means being attracted to the opposite gender.

Women can be both cis and trans, it has nothing to do with biology, whereas being a female is a biological term. If you were assigned woman at birth and you identify as a woman, then you are cis, but you don't have to call yourself that, obv.

Christ...

Because that's what a transwoman is all about, isn't it?

I think I speak for many when I say that I honestly don't know what being a trans woman is all about and that is the main problem.

It's very difficult to get an explanation, but changes are being made to regulations without any proper discussion of what it means to be trans and why separation by biological sex might be important.

Apologies I missed the "of" which changes the sentence somewhat! Thanks for pointing that out cote.

You're the one peddling stereotypes soren by your repeated assertions that all tw are lovely and fluffy and wouldn't in a million years hurt anyone. Oh - except for the one who headbutted a barman. And the one who murdered their mother. And the one that murdered three people. And the one who raped a teenager in a garage.

I'm horrified. Do any of you have any trans friends?

Still catching up - but yes. Loads of them, in RL and virtual.

Not one of them is confused about their biological sex.
All of them understand what gender is.
None use 'cis'.

Only a couple use 'transgender'. The vast majority are either transsexual or simply 'individual'.
Many are gay or bi, both transsexuals and intact males.
None of them are confused about their sexuality or identity.

You can see why these biological males are my friends, while the cis-imposing, ladybrained, whining fake 'women' are not.

sorenaJ women = adult human female. Therefore it is a biological definition, as female is a biological term (as you yourself admit).
By all means make up bits and add them, but that doesn't make it fact, no matter how badly you want it to, and other people don't have to pretend to accept your made up definition.

I have 2 trans friends, neither of whom use the term cis.

I'm not allowed to say anything about sock puppetry, am I? Eh, Soren & Soren?

"Cis is simply just the opposite of trans, it means identifying with the gender you were assigned at birth"

Oh gosh, we are so lucky to have you come and tell us that

We do know what 'cis' means, thank you. And it is offensive because many of us DON'T identify with the bullshit concept of female gender. I don't wear dresses or heels, don't care for makeup. I don't (can't) gossip and am not terribly maternal or empathetic. I don't like pink sparkly shit.

Until you understand the difference between SEX and GENDER, you are doomed to go through this discussion clothing your pearls and muttering "Oh wow, so many transphobic people".

I DON'T IDENTIFY AS A GENDER. I have a biological sex, and that's it. Why is this so hard for some people to get into their heads?

noeffingidea "Woman" may also refer to a person's gender identity.[1]

[1] Sexual Orientation and Gender Expression in Social Work Practice, edited by Deana F. Morrow and Lori Messinger (2006, ISBN 0231501862), page 8: "Gender identity refers to an individual's personal sense of identity as [man] or [woman], or some combination thereof."

'women ... has nothing to do with biology' .

Pure humpty-dumptyism. “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

It's not transphobic to argue on the basis of scientific fact that one cannot alter one's biology.

sorena ... and academics in some fields are the worst humpties.

CoteDAzur I very well understand the difference between sex and gender, don't you worry. I still don't see how that should make you offended. The fact that we have created a term for something, to make it easier for people to talk about a group of people.

"I have red hair, but I get offended if you call me ginger".

"I am attracted to the opposite sex, but I get offended if you call me straight".

Cis is simply just the opposite of trans, it means identifying with the gender you were assigned at birth, just like straight means being attracted to the opposite gender

For god's sake, how many times! Nobody is assigned a gender at birth - their sex is observed and noted, and that's what sex they are, except in the case of intersex babies, which is a different thing. Gender is a social construct - babies don't identify with it at all, obviously, and as a woman with a woman's bodies, I see gender and gendering as a problem rather than something I have to identify with in any of its manifestations.

The term 'cis' entrenches rather than transcending gender.

If I have red hair and dye it blonde, that doesn't make me a blonde and all natural blondes 'cis blondes', does it? I'm a dyed blonde, they're natural blondes.

Gender identity refers to an individual's personal sense of identity as [man] or [woman], or some combination thereof.

And now could you explain what a personal sense of identity as a man or a woman means?

A woman is an adult female human, as a cow is a female bovine, a doe is a female deer etc. "Identifying" with social constructs of what should be attributes of one or other sex doesn't change that.

MTTs are a subset of men, not of women. Their issues are not women's issues.