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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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CarriesBucketOfBlood · 19/08/2015 22:44

I believe they may have just enforced more complex passwords.

FuckOffJeffrey · 19/08/2015 22:44

Just seen the post - Nevermind

somebrightspark · 19/08/2015 22:44

how I think they had a go at getting into my phone too, of course it may be a coincidence.

So I dereg-ed and this is the new me.
I had different passwords for everything but I've changed the lot and taken my phone back to a reset.

shopafrolic · 19/08/2015 22:45

There is a thread trending entitled PLEASE READ about the password reset that MN are in the process of forcing for everyone. Wait to be kicked out, and then reset, otherwise you'll have to do it twice.

FuckOffJeffrey · 19/08/2015 22:45

Yes more complex password now required - it took me a few attempts to get one that worked.

UhtredOfBebbanburg · 19/08/2015 22:45

I was kicked out and had to log back in again but I was able to use today's password.

I said this on another thread - I think the whole thing is proper broken now.

OutToGetYou · 19/08/2015 22:46

I get that Wannabe, but my Google account logs me in automatically so I can't recall which accounts may have the same password, and I know some have a variation of the same one, so as I had been meaning to make some changes anyway I have changed a load tonight. It's taken ages but not done me any harm.
Except stretched my imagination (we foster dogs, so I have used a stream of the dogs' names with various suffixes. We don't have any of the dogs now).
My banks will all be fine, for the reasons you state - they all have mutli layers. It was paypal, ebay, amazon, email, twitter, fb and a few other social media I use where I decided I needed to change it.

Not been logged out of here again yet mind you. Running out of dog names...... (will need to foster some more Grin )

twirlypoo · 19/08/2015 22:47

I think I'm going to sort this tomorrow as I haven't been kicked out yet. I'll see you all on the other side Wine

FuckOffJeffrey · 19/08/2015 22:49

UhtredOfBebbanburg - maybe the new password you chose earlier today was complex enough to meet the current password requirements?

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 22:50

I still haven't been logged out but it's bed time. Night all.

Catonthematwiththehat · 19/08/2015 22:51

Hmm...I was kicked out about 10 mins ago and have changed password and logged back in. Is it odd that not everyone has at the same time?

Dawndonnaagain · 19/08/2015 22:55

Okay, have changed but as soon as I got on I got the security certificate saying it wasn't safe.

ouryve · 19/08/2015 22:56

It needs to propagate, Cat. There will be a very big list of users to go through to get it done for the entire site.

FuckOffJeffrey · 19/08/2015 22:57

Well I must say that MNHQ appear to have listened to the suggestions made by people and have a massive warning on the log on page about the hacking, checking for Https, more complex password requirements and the large pop up banner to the sticky thread on every single thread.

Well done MNHQ. You must all be exhausted over there tonight after a very long and difficult day. Cake Wine

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 22:57

Why are we being kicked out at the time most of the attacks occur (nighttime in UK, daytime in US)

Catonthematwiththehat · 19/08/2015 22:58

Fair point ouryve - thought I'd mention as others were saying they hadn't been kicked out so I thought it would be worth staring in case It hadn't gone go plan and Mumsnet bods needed to know.

MistressMerryWeather · 19/08/2015 23:00

I haven't been able to reset my password at all.

No response to my reset request. I have checked all my e-mail folders but there's nowt.

Are you guys all getting a response right away?

RuckingMarvellous · 19/08/2015 23:00

I was just logged out and logged in with a new password but not overly great as Running short on ideas (name change yesterday and third new password!).

However am concerned that it isn't all that great of a password and I've not have anything telling me doesn't meet security. Other concern is that I received the link to password change, but not had the accompanying password changed email following?

GarminGirl · 19/08/2015 23:03

Yes, instant response

And no lavender you won't be deleted, you don't Dereg like that

Deedeecupcake · 19/08/2015 23:03

Rucking, was actually just thinking the same thing! Maybe there's been so many to send out?

Bogeyface · 19/08/2015 23:04

I had to send the request twice before it came through.

Deedeecupcake · 19/08/2015 23:04

My request came through straight away but no confirmation email.

ChristineDePisan · 19/08/2015 23:04

I just got kicked out and had to reset, for the second time under the new complex password arrangements.

Yes, I got the reset email through straightaway

MistressMerryWeather · 19/08/2015 23:05

Bugger, I can only sign in with FB at the moment.

Is this HQ's polite way of telling me to arse off? :o

Gruntfuttock · 19/08/2015 23:05

Lots of people are saying they have successfully logged in with their previous password and others that their new password isn't a complex one. I thought MNHQ was going to enforce new and complex passwords. Any comment MNHQ?

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