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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
Toooldtobearsed · 19/08/2015 11:32

Sorry - cross posted (it took me THAT long to type)!

ohtheholidays · 19/08/2015 11:33

Thank you very much to the lovely ladies that checked for me and for the advice as well it's much appreciated. Smile Flowers

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 11:35

'stored separately' is not reassuring i'm afraid. i don't buy the phishing is the way they've done it - too many unexplained facts fall outside of that theory.

can we please request that our data re: addresses is now deleted? why does mn store it ongoingly anyway? surely once a prize has been sent out it ceases to be needed.

bluespitfire · 19/08/2015 11:36

Writing this so I can report my own post to MN as there was an attempt to hack my iPhone on Sunday.

ThisNameIsBetterThanMyRealOne · 19/08/2015 11:36

And I am wondering how sure MNHQ are that that is how usernames and passwords were collected. I never type in MN address or anything else, is it possible for the hacker to change my bookmarked MN link? I mean I never log on I am always logged on and I access MN through a tab which takes me to an old thread which is months old, I move to active convos from there.

It makes me feel quite sick to see my name on 'the list'.

shopafrolic · 19/08/2015 11:37

Thanks for checking everyone. I am on the list - the password they have was before they asked us to change our passwords but it was correct a week ago. No other accounts use the same password. The bit I am really unhappy about if true is that the guy on Twitter says he got this info from a moderator of Mumsnet.
Is that true MNHQ? Scary if so........
That said - I may have had my account info phished for as I had to continually log in for over a week now.......

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 11:37

@Toooldtobearsed

I have also always defended MNHQ regarding communication - but this is simply not good enough. We need one person, only one to pop on every hour or so with the latest info - even if there is nothing really to say.
At the moment, it feels a bit like the Marie Celeste - where is everyone?

You're right and we're sorry - it really has been crazy this morning. Olivia's on the thread now, there's a separate thread talking about the tech side of things here - please read if you've questions about that side of things. And I have a few general responses to common queries from tech which I'll post now.

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 11:38

Hang on, just had a thought. If we have logged in via a phishing page, the address will show in history. Surely then we can narrow down whether we were phished, or whether passwords were accessed a different way?

SirChenjin · 19/08/2015 11:38

Thanks to 001000001 for taking the time to PM me - I have changed my password as a result.

Also v pissed off with MN - it should not have taken another user to inform me

MeetMeInTheMorning · 19/08/2015 11:41

"Hang on, just had a thought. If we have logged in via a phishing page, the address will show in history. Surely then we can narrow down whether we were phished, or whether passwords were accessed a different way?"

this is what I thought - yet I can find no evidence in my history at all.

hazelangell · 19/08/2015 11:43

What is the list? Where is it and how do I check if I'm there? All a bit bewildered, have only just seen what's gone down.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 11:44

i wasn't phished.

nor were the deceased users

Ifeellousy · 19/08/2015 11:44

Thisname I completely agree.

slkk · 19/08/2015 11:44

Thank you for checking for me

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 11:44

Page 11 in chat, am I on the list.

Toooldtobearsed · 19/08/2015 11:45

Thisname me too!

I have an icon I click on and am permanently signed in, unless locked out, in which case I (obviously) log back in, but it is so rare I always struggle to remember which password I used and have to try a few before getting back on!

I am not techy at all, but really cannot see this has been a phishing attack - it just does not add up.

Sarah, thanks for that. I do appreciate how busy you must be.

It is just so frustrating.

DixieNormas · 19/08/2015 11:45

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Melonfool · 19/08/2015 11:46

I have checked the list and can't see myself on it, but if any kind person was able to double check for me that would be helpful - I am on the app, on the phone, on a train.....and am v long and short sighted so scrolling through lines and lines of small text us tricky.

Have to admit to being a bit confused how a hacker got passwords if they are only held encrypted.
Some porky pies somewhere I reckon.

akkakk · 19/08/2015 11:46

hazelangell nope - not on it

hazelangell · 19/08/2015 11:47

Thanks Akkakk, much appreciated.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 11:47

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Beeswax2017 · 19/08/2015 11:47

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Ifeellousy · 19/08/2015 11:48

I don't really care what he wants or doesn't want - it's the bigger picture that matters - a serious crime is being committed that has implications for 1000s of mumsnet users and people need protecting.

I hope mumsnet are liaising very closely with the police.

sassymuffin · 19/08/2015 11:52

Ive had tons of spam email over the last couple of days could someone check if I am on the list TIA

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 11:52

Actually, Altinkum, nobody has any idea even of whether this attack is restricted to MN. There could be massive issues with other systems which people are signed up to and which we just haven't heard about yet. (Commercial users being notoriously close-mouthed about security issues.)

Everyone should just review their internet security, implement any necessary changes and keep a weather eye on all sensitive accounts.