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OFFICIAL MNHQ THREAD on posts about suicide, troll-hunting and related matters

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RowanMumsnet · 23/10/2014 10:10

Hello

There have been so many threads about this over the past few days, and so many divergent points of view - and so much upset - that we'd really like to have the discussion in one place rather than in many different threads all over the boards.

For those who haven't heard yet: we are actively reviewing our policy about threads regarding suicidal feelings and suicidal intent. We are seeking expert input from outside organisations including the Samaritans. Once we have that we will come back and have a further discussion with MNers about the way forward.

We'll be here to talk on the thread throughout the day, but do please note that we WILL delete troll-hunting posts for all the obvious reasons. So PLEASE do not use this thread to make insinuations about identifiable posters - keep it general please.

Re: Wombat: we understand that some reporters had concerns, but at the same time this poster had been around for years with a very consistent posting history. We absolutely do not have any concrete reason to disbelieve her. However, her thread had been immensely upsetting and triggering for many users, and has prompted a site-wide discussion about how we handle these threads. Once her husband had posted that she was at home with him and under the care of RL professionals it really seemed best all round to delete the thread.

We contacted Wombat at the time to explain our deletion and we still feel that for many very good reasons this is best sorted out off-board between us and her; we've asked her again to reply to our email and we will happily take it from there.

We also think that this whole case is a very good illustration of why we have no-trollhunting rules. We understand that some of you find them frustrating, but for every correct troll-call, there's an incorrect one. Being called a troll in public when you're giving an honest account of deeply upsetting real-life circumstances can be devastating for people.

Equally, we do 'get' that there are a lot posters and threads at the moment that seem deeply suspicious. We are on the front foot with this and have been being pretty pro-active at closing things down when they are reported to us and when we can see that things aren't adding up, particularly if they are new users.

So we need you to keep reporting and NOT break troll-hunting rules on the boards unless MNHQ itself has said publicly that we are confident that someone was a deliberate trouble-maker.

The namechange/sock-puppeting thing is extremely easy for us to spot when it's reported. It's not a judgement call - it's black and white and it's the work of a moment for us to spot it and deal with it.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 01/11/2014 12:10

I don't really know who's a regular and who isn't beyond about five or six that I see. I'm sure there are many more regulars than that.

I only have issues with namechanging-for-spite. If you feel something particularly, have the balls to say it in your own (identifiable) name or not at all. Not this regular-name-sweetness-and-light and pseudo-id-just-for-spite. That's really cowardly.

ScaryZ · 01/11/2014 14:00

I don't think "regulars" do it more often. The names might appear to do it more often - because they are around for years.

The posters don't do it more often - pretendnewbienewname1 only does it once, because the next time they do it they are pretendnewbienewname2.

If I look on aibu, I don't recognise most of the really nasty, goady, sarcastic and cutting posters - they are new. New names, that is, not new posters.

ScaryZ · 01/11/2014 14:02

If mnhq could sort it out so that deleted threads appear on TIW it might help.

I've bean asking for ages, but if people could watch and see they might do so. At the moment if you watch a thread and it's deleted it just disapears. Whereas if you post, then you get to see why it was deleted.

Most of the threads on my TIW just disappear at the moment. It's very confusing.

BoreOfWhabylon · 01/11/2014 15:32

Think MNHQ have made the right decision re disaster threads. Will need to be applied overnight especially, and probably beyond the remit of a volunteer NightWatch, who might or might not be around

Also agree with ScaryZ re deleted threads staying on TIW.

ZingOfSeven · 01/11/2014 16:17

marking place to read later

hi everyone

Rinoachicken · 12/01/2015 12:51

Haven't RTFT - read to page 12, will go back and continue in a bit.

I would support a 'been a member since xxxxx' sort of thing under usernames.

I am a looooooooong time member of a prominent forum for survivors of sexual violence; so vulnerable members and a troll magnet. As long as I can remember they have had a 'member since' and post count thing.

On mumsnet many people lurk for ages either as visitors or members before posting (I was one!), so I don think a 'you must have x number of posts before you can start a thread' would be helpful or necessary here, but to be able to see that someone's been around a while would be good I think.

Yes you do get long term trolls but it might help?

PuddingandPie1 · 02/02/2015 09:59

I made a few minor contributions to this thread.

I suggested that regardless of what the majority of posters want the troll-hunters would still hunt (with variable degrees of subtlety) - and would probably not get booted off the site. This seems, sadly, to be true. I complained about a serial offender a few days ago but the post and the poster is still around.

As another poster here said "Please MN enforce your own guidelines about troll hunting - sometimes it's like watching a horde of armed gunmen shooting to protect a herd of cattle from wolves and mainly hitting the cattle"

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