Fight clubs on mumsnet

[TensionWheelsCoolHeels]

Is it just me or has there been a significant shift in the ethos of this site where 'fight clubs' are now tolerated wherever they spring up? There is a real nasty undercurrent running through a few parts of this site & it's just unpleasant to read through.

Are the mods all barricading themselves in bunkers or something, hoping it'll all blow over?

[ArsenicyOldFace]

Do you think maybe your use of the phrase 'Fight club' is confusing the issue OP?

[TensionWheelsCoolHeels]

Nope. Fight club is exactly what this thread is about.

[RandallFloyd]

By all means question it (and I think I know the threads you're talking about now) but it sounds like you want them to 'step in and do something' about it and, whether you agree with it or not, that isn't what HQ do.

If you see someone saying/doing something you think is unacceptable then all you can do is challenge them on the thread and/or report them. After that it's up to HQ.

[ArsenicyOldFace]

Then I'm lost

[elQuintoConyo]

Mumsnet has a fightclub? Where is it? Is it listed under 'other'? I need to know. Could someone Pm me?

[ArsenicyOldFace]

If you are refering to the schism I originally thought you were OP, I don't see that inflammatory terms like 'fight club' help much.

There is a major difference of opinion. Both sides believe they have a really good point about how things should be. That is the nature of differences of opinion.

Some tempers have flared and some things have been said but by and large people have retreated to corners and quiches and grumbled and licked wounds.

There IS a substantive and emotive issue under dispute though. Which is a bit different from your reductive description of 'fight club'.

I've done a fair amount of grumbling about some MNHQ decisions myself recently, but they are doing pretty well with this. This isn't school you know.

[TensionWheelsCoolHeels]

Oh I'm being inflammatory for describing a fight club as a fight club? That's a good one.

No euphemism or allusion on my part arsenic. Fight club is how it looks, how it reads, and IMO how it is.

[ArsenicyOldFace]

Oh you do mean us.

Surely the defining purpose of a fight club is to fight?

I don't think either camp of the current dispute deserve that description.

Everyone involved, on both sides, is defending a position they clearly feel strongly about, concerning the ethos of the board.

I do think it is all calming a bit. Let's not stoke it up.

[HotPinkWeaselWearingLederhosen]

Fight club is a crap fictional movie with Brad Pitt.

Mumsnet is a Internet chat forum.

It has to be a euphemism

People don't HAVE to be combative all the time, over everything. I can think of several posters of late who would probably lead happier lives if they realised that their life would be exactly the same whether or not people on the Internet agreed with them. But that's their problem, they might not be able to walk away, but I can.

[TensionWheelsCoolHeels]

How helpful do you think it is to have a thread running where specific posters are being discussed & bitched about arsenic? About as helpful as a bingo thread where posters are being quoted & bitched about?

You aren't a bunch of keyboard warriors 'fighting the good fight'. Your arguments are stoking nasty, unhelpful comments that plenty of other uninvolved posters or observers are likely to be affected by.

If there was any sign of things cooling or tailing off, I wouldn't have posted. But your almost 30 days hasn't improved anything has it?

[ArsenicyOldFace]

It has to be a euphemism

I hope so HotPink. I hate the sight of blood

[HotPinkWeaselWearingLederhosen]

Whom is the "you" whom you are addressing?

[ArsenicyOldFace]

If there was any sign of things cooling or tailing off, I wouldn't have posted. But your almost 30 days hasn't improved anything has it?

Now THAT is disingenuous.

Is your concern the one you outline in your OP or are you, in fact, the National Audit Office, examining me for measurable indicators that I have improved the mood on the SP board in the last month?

Have to go, I'm afraid.

Happy stirring.

[GimmeMySquash]

An OP has some fight club types jumping on her for her dh buying the Sun for the football round up. Lucky for her others supported her protests that the Sun has the best reporting on footy.

[scottishmummy]

I thought mnhq were quite robust in asserting no fight club style posts

[NickiFury]

They are. It's been left to stand because that's NOT what is going on. Certainly we have been addressed by MN and they don't seem to have a problem. With or without those threads this is an ongoing debate that's not going away any time soon and considering the subject matter and those affected that is a good thing.

Anyway I won't post on this thread again but I do not agree with your perception of the threads OP and I am wondering what your motives are for starting this thread. Things are moving along and there actually seems to be a lot more understanding on both sides and far less viciousness and attacking. How about you butt out and let MN continue to deal with it because that seems to be working out alright. Unless of course your main focus is to shut down debate which is the main issue that led to this state of affairs in the first place.

[chockbic]

I haven't seen any fight clubs. Disagreements of course.

Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places?

[HotPinkWeaselWearingLederhosen]

I don't need to see any other threads to disagree with the op. She's talking about MN as a whole, and faulting MNHQ.

Either she's talking about the site in its entirety and wrong.

Or it's a petty grudge op with leading statements and being purposefully antagonistic.

I'm not interested in a specific thread or topic when a generalisation is being made about an entire board and it's users.

From what I've seen of the op thus far, she's really not coming across as the sort of poster who should be moralising at other users.

[Thumbwitch]

Tis, Mary. Tis.

[TensionWheelsCoolHeels]

My concern, as I've stated already, is that despite MNHQ trying to deal with the nonsense going on on certain threads/boards, the nasty undercurrent isn't going away. Helped in part by the, still standing, threads where posters are being picked out for comments/bitching on both sides of the 'debate'. The FIGHT CLUB is still going, despite MNHQ's efforts to dampen things down because inflammatory threads are still going.

If MNHQ don't have a problem with threads that discuss threads, posts & posters, then that's a new one on me. MNHQ have already stated on this thread they don't tolerate fight clubs, outright nastiness or things 'beyond the pale'. That seems to contradict the threads where other threads, posters & posts are being discussed.

I'm now the subject on one of the threads, for having the audacity to highlight this, my motives being questioned and posters hoping ill just 'pipe down'. Oh, and now I'm being told I'm trying to shut down debate? Lacking the morals to comment?

[R4roger]

who are all these people who come here and be mean, it should be peaceful