Is it time to start paying for MN membership?

[SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius]

In the wake of everything that happened last night, I have been trying to think of ways to keep the goady fuckers and MRAs from repeatedly rejoining MN after being banned, just so that they can cause trouble and upset, particularly on boards like Relationships and Feminism.

If we were paying even a fairly nominal amount - say a tenner - per year for our MN membership, I don't think that is an amount that would put off people who wanted to join the site for the right reasons, but it would mean that joining, being a goady fucker, getting banned and then rejoining to cause more trouble, multiple times would get very expensive very quickly - and this might put off the trolls and goady fuckers.

Or are there other ways that we can think of that MNHQ can keep the goady fuckers off the site? Could they change the rules to say that joining just to goad people on sensitive boards is a banning offence?

im not quite understanding why those who predominantly don't want to be challenged on their views or have a discussion and constantly bang on about MRAs and GFs genuinley dont start a forum where they can all agree with each other and no one else is allowed to contribute

I agree with Ilovesooty and Hellmouthcusty.

It might be possible for the posters who won't allow anyone to disagree with them to have a part of MN to themselves. I bet Tech could set it up. It would be in the interests of all, and could be completely un-modded.

I agree with Custy too. 'MRA' is called much too often, with the effect of trivialising or obscuring those cases where men genuinely do try to shut down feminist debate. Its another term like goady fucker that is undermining mn. I'm so fed up of righteous policing of other people's thought and expression here.

Also agree with pervcat's 'absolute moron' test, which I should probably apply to my own engagement in this furore.

SDTG - I would happily pay membership, however, I don't think it's the solution to this problem and creates a whole lot of other problems (as have been mentioned above). Same with validation of credit card/paypal etc - I'd be happy to do it, but I think there are too many vulnerable women who would miss out on MN, to make this a good idea.

I have suggested on other threads that people shouldn't be able to name change for the first 12 months without MNHQ approval. I honestly can't see any down side to this.

I have also mentioned (a while ago now) that we have a 'Gloves off' section. It worked really well on another forum I used to be on. Basically if you post in there you can debate stuff and have a very heated debate - including telling people to 'fuck off you twat' < if you want to. Obviously there are still limits such as racism etc and it is not a place to 'slag off' other posters etc it is just a space where you can debate things in a heated way. As I say, it worked really well on another site I used to be on.

The goady fucker stuff is all made up to frighten people off from disagreeing. Very very annoying.

Hellmouthcusty, BringBack, ButThere - I think you are all missing the point. It is not about people only wanting others to agree with them or thinking that their opinion is the only one that should be listened to - but about posters who only post to inflame. Yes they should be ignored, but when they are attacking a vulnerable OP it is not easy to ignore them. They can attack 'me' all they like, I don't give a flying, but when they attack a vulnerable person 'for fun' it is beyond hard to 'just ignore' them and when you know it's could be hours or days before their posts are 'looked at' & you know how upset the OP could be made in that time...

BringBack ^^ utter rubbish.

But it's very obvious that a handful of posters believe that if someone posts an alternative view, which is different from their own, they are being Goady Fuckers.

What about a 'member since' bit next to your posts. If they are 'goady' and joined the same day it would be easier to know that they are trolling. Especially when it's 'member for a whole but have NC'd for this' it would help identify if they were genuine or not...

Just a thought.

No way,I left a site that introduced subs to come here. Everyone paid and the owner then decided to close the site

NO WAY!

chipping, attacks should be reported.

and now there is overnight moderation the MN reaction time to reports will be improved

Ofcourse i have no issue with attacks being reported.

but what often happens is opposing views on the feminist threads in particular, but Relationships too. you are very likley to be called an MRA or a GF or a man as a way of rug pulling to a different point of view.

BringBack - I am not saying that there aren't some people who will call 'GoadyFucker' on anyone with a differing opinion, what I am saying is, there are people who only come to goad.

Custy - Hopefully things will improve with overnight moderation - but a lot of it happens in the evenings when MNHQ are working. There's far too much 'wait and see' and not enough looking into the posting history of the goaders -

I have issue with this new collective noun of 'goaders'

goading is subjective. If you cannot discuss alternate opinions then perhaps this isn't the forum you should be in

The people who come on to MN to goad are called Trolls.

Princess-I like that idea, it would sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Call them goaders or call them trolls - call them Kevin if you like - but the fact is that they come here to cause trouble then go back to their sites to gloat about it and collectively tweet about it. It is not about genuine posters having different opinions.

The term Goady Fucker is used far far far more widely than that. Far far far far far more widely.

You're right chip, there's a big difference.

I wouldn't pay. We used to have to pay an annual membership in order to PM people. Most people didn't bother with that and it was eventually abolished. I also don't agree with moderators that check posts in advance. I like that up until recently there has been a pretty relaxed attitude at MNHQ. It has changed a lot over the last two years (I've been here 9 years) and not for the better. I think that is to be expected with 4.3 million users (if that statistic can be believed).

Only the most persistent trolls will change their IP after being banned and they are in a very very small minority.

valiumredhead
To be fair, cant see mumsnet doing that, though they could decided to sell at any time. Could they or would they sell to Facebook or Twitter, especially as they court them?

Perhaps there could be a designated moderator assigned to relationships, SN, bereavement, and FWR , ie where trolls like to attack? And then a picture could be built up a bit quicker of what exactly is going on?

Yeah, we thought the same, then it happened!

Once bitten, twice shy. Very wise.

I'm a bit naive in as much as I don't go on twitter so have only recently realised that trolls come on here and then tweet!

I'm being a bit naive too I think. Trolls would just move on to style and beauty, In the News and fluffy animals I suppose.