Is it time to start paying for MN membership?

[SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius]

In the wake of everything that happened last night, I have been trying to think of ways to keep the goady fuckers and MRAs from repeatedly rejoining MN after being banned, just so that they can cause trouble and upset, particularly on boards like Relationships and Feminism.

If we were paying even a fairly nominal amount - say a tenner - per year for our MN membership, I don't think that is an amount that would put off people who wanted to join the site for the right reasons, but it would mean that joining, being a goady fucker, getting banned and then rejoining to cause more trouble, multiple times would get very expensive very quickly - and this might put off the trolls and goady fuckers.

Or are there other ways that we can think of that MNHQ can keep the goady fuckers off the site? Could they change the rules to say that joining just to goad people on sensitive boards is a banning offence?

I wouldn't pay. Charging users to use websites is not the way forward for any company who want to make money. It puts people off, even if only a nominal amount. If a fee was introduced id just go on one of the zillions of other parenting sites instead although i would miss mumsnet.

however i just tend to avoid weirdos.

One question, how many reports equal deletion? How many deletions to a ban?

Just one report will suffice; afaik there isn't a simple 'so many strikes and you're out'.

But I was wondering if multiple reports of the same post/poster escalates the issue so it goes higher up MNHQs priority list to look at - if not maybe that might be helpful (and I'm sure something Tech could implement)?

As to charging - I might pay now, more likely it would be the cure for my mild addiction. I almost certainly wouldn't have paid the first time I came to MN, desperate for advice on betwetting.

It would be good for me as I wouldn't pay and I spend far to much time on here - so bring it on

I made sense??!! OMFG -

"...however i just tend to avoid weirdos..."

And yet here you are, posting on my thread, KatAndKit!

Let's have a hide post/poster option.

Goady twatty post? Hide it!
Goady twatty poster? Hide them!

I know MHHQ don't want it, but I wish they would reconsider the idea of users having the ability to block other posters.

If you try to ignore them in Relationships, or leave the thread, then the best case is that some vulnerable women doesn't get the help & support she needs, and worse, is potentially made to feel much worse about herself & her situation. If the trolls could just be blocked on the thread, then it could go on without their valuable insights . Hopefully enough of this lack of attention & they would give up. Maybe it could just be trialled in troll heavy areas like Relationships & FWR.

I'm lucky in that I've haven't need the Relationships section since discovering MN although am damn sure my younger self would have benefitted but I want like to know it was there, and a relatively safe haven, if I ever needed it.

Sorry but the day I have to pay anything (especially for a site that has so many adverts on it) will be the day I wont be posting on MN.

I have been on a bereavement site on MN for about the last 6 years and we have been 'stung' by trolls and 'strange folk' over and over and over again. Paying for MN will not get rid of these people.

As in life......'they' walk amongst us every day!!!

Ah, xpost.

You are both right.

I hope MNHQ are going to read this thread (not because I started it, but because there are some very sensible options on here that they should consider).

Hide post and poster option - yes

Prevent MNers who have had a certain amount of warnings from name changing for a period of time - yes.

More moderators - yes

24 hour moderation - yes

Have you reported it SDTG? To be fair they are slightly busy with everything else but I'm sure they'll come and have a look.

I've wondered before if there couldn't bee some way of adding the year a poster joined to their username - i.e. LittleBearPad (2012). Showing the year only wouldn't compromise anonymity but it would give a quick indication of how long the person had been around.

I haven't, PeteCampbell - I didn't want to be all 'Look at meeeee, MNHQ - here I am solving all your problems for you!!'

'Hide poster' is merely a tech option for ignore poster something that we can all choose to do, and do right now.

I initially said just to report and ignore. Having read some more of this thread I think I would add to that mumsnet needs more moderators (as distinct from moderation).

If report and ignore is to work it needs reports to be dealt with in a matter of minutes, not for an offensive post to be left up for hours/days.

Perhaps MNHQ could look again at having volunteer MNer moderators. I know this has been suggested before and shot down, but with an appropriate system of checks and balances put in place it might work.

MNer volunteers to mod. MNHQ have a quick look at prior posting history. If approved on trial for a period of time and deletions closely monitored.

If a message was deleted from at thread it would read deleted by a volunteer (generic, not username, so could be reported if felt to be heavy handed/wrong. If an individual mod got too many complaints then would be closely looked at by MNHQ. Modding would be entirely anonymous, it'd be in the Ts and Cs that it gets removed if you post that you are a mod.

The goady fuckers are loving this I bet. Rubbing their hands together like a child playing its parents off against each other.

Just disengage.

Let AF sit out her suspension and hopefully help people off board and come back but all this furore is only inflaming the situation.

This has happened before and will happen again.

If people are concerned that abused women on relationships will get the idea that financial control, major imbalance in domestic work etc are normal from trolls posting "this is normal, get a job" then what might be better than engaging with the troll and arguing that this is not normal would be to have a thread/page on mumsnet full of user-contributed stories of how finances are fairly shared or work is reasonably split etc.

Then the people faced with the troll can say 'look, it's not normal, just read this page' and they will immediately have 100s of women giving their story in support.

Like on weaning threads where people go 'I want to wean at 3 months', and someone goes 'happy mum happy baby', then instead of arguing with that misguided poster, people can simply link to the mn weaning pages or the NHS advice to back them up.

I agree with what Starfish Trooper said up thread. The term GF is often thrown out just because you're daring to disagree with an established poster, suggest that LTB might be a bit premature or suggest that a man might have a legitimate point of view. Some posters seem to think they shouldn't be disagreed with and if you dare to cross the line people arrive very quickly to show you that an alternative viewpoint is unacceptable. It's the reason I rarely go on Relationships. I'd add that physical or emotional abuse is a serious issue and I'm a survivor of both but I think some of the responses to vulnerable women are unhelpful and people seem to forget that some prolific posters there aren't professionally qualified to offer advice.

And no one poster should be above the rules.

Oh and I wouldn't pay or give personal details out to use the site and I think that introducing this would exclude very vulnerable women. Closer moderation of sensitive boards and more responsible self moderation would be the best way forward imo.

this site should remain free. If it is becoming intolerable for some people, perhaps those MNers should start a private members only board

I've paid subs on here in the past. I'd rather not do it again although I will it I have to. I also remember that last private members thingy Let's not do that again either. Not a pleasant time.