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MN allows racism to stand

605 replies

amillionyears · 13/11/2012 14:50

I have reported it 3 times today, 1 before 9am.
Heard nothing from them.

OP posts:
Moln · 13/11/2012 20:38

Hold on a minute. Chickens eat frogs?

Or do they just maul them? There's an evil side of chickens. Who knew!

scottishmummy · 13/11/2012 20:38

if mn were to triage calls I'd suggest
priority
important
moderate
wind & Pish eg mad as box of frogs level

BlameItOnTheCuervHoHoHo · 13/11/2012 20:38

and its still not on to name them. I didnt follow the link, I wouldnt have known who they were. what gives you the right to "out" people for being racist (esp when they werent) on a separate thread.

BlameItOnTheCuervHoHoHo · 13/11/2012 20:39

you make a lot of assumptions, dont you?

amillionyears · 13/11/2012 20:39

I did look up xenophobia when someone posted it.
It didnt look relevant to all this.

OP posts:
AsMadAsABoxOfFrogs · 13/11/2012 20:40

Errrrmmm hully can you clarify? I think amillionyears has totally lost the plot.

PetiteRaleuse · 13/11/2012 20:40

Well tbh OP it really depends on the tone. Am aware this opens up a whole new debate, but the French refer to the Brits as les rosbeefs. It can be used as a slur, but in genereal, nowadays, is used in jest. Or at least lightheartedly.

The French know that we joke about them eating frogs, and take comments in the spirit intended. In general. It's hardly as offensive as other slurs for them that I have seen on here even today.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 13/11/2012 20:40

Oh dear.

Xenophobia isn't relevant to a thread about racism?

Confused

What do you think it means, amilion?

LadyBeagle · 13/11/2012 20:40

Didn't you get called a something Jock (can't remember exactly) sm?
Which you laughed off.

BarbecuedBillygoats · 13/11/2012 20:41

Petite
Would that prove anything. Surely they would be hopping mad too? Jumping up and down like a toad ina bucket

FunnysInLaJardin · 13/11/2012 20:41

oooh I was going to say I'M CANADIAN too, this thread has a touch of that about it

LtEveDallas · 13/11/2012 20:42

I read the link, but still didn't have the foggiest (froggiest? Grin) what you were going in about - because I'd read the thread before the deletions and certainly didn't see any racism - so actually the link meant nothing. YOU then said the posters made ethnic slurs (actually, ethnic? That's wrong as well isn't it?)

amillionyears · 13/11/2012 20:42

Portofino,
systems are sometimes a bit wrong in life.
Sometimes it can be systems.

OP posts:
Chubfuddler · 13/11/2012 20:42

Frog, when used to refer to a French person could be argued to be offensive (I don't think it is)

But that use of the word frog has NOTHING to do with the phrase mad as a box of frogs. The frogs in the box aren't French. They're mad because they're trapped in a box.

BlameItOnTheCuervHoHoHo · 13/11/2012 20:42

xenophobia is fear of forriners/using derogative names to describe them. racism is a fear of different races. you can get black french people. if you call them a frg, you are being xenophobic. if you call them a ngg^r you are being racist.

its not hard.

RudolphUcker · 13/11/2012 20:43

It's ethnical or racialmalist, LtEve
HTH Smile

ScrambledSmegs · 13/11/2012 20:43

Racism is regarding an ethnic grouping, e.g. black, white, asian etc.

Xenophobia is used regarding people from specific nations e.g. British, Irish, French etc. It means to hate foreigners.

scottishmummy · 13/11/2012 20:43

aye,drunken fick jock putdowns no biggie.

BlameItOnTheCuervHoHoHo · 13/11/2012 20:43

and here is the mad as a box of frogs link again

MmeLindor · 13/11/2012 20:44

amillion
ok, lets back up a bit here.

Originally the word xenophobia comes from the Greek words xénos, meaning 'the stranger' and 'the guest' and phóbos, meaning 'fear'. Thus, xenophobia stands for 'fear of the stranger', but usually the term is taken to mean 'hatred of strangers'1. Xenophobia can be understood as "an attitudinal orientation of hostility against non-natives in a given population".

Xenophobia and racism often overlap, but are distinct phenomena. Whereas racism usually entails distinction based on physical characteristic differences, such as skin colour, hair type, facial features, etc, xenophobia implies behaviour based on the idea that the other is foreign to or originates from outside the community or nation.

read here

Ok, so if I were to say, 'These fecking frogs should feck of back to fecking France and stop baking poncy macaroons in patisseries, so that our bakers can get back to making good and decent fairy cakes' then that would be xenophobic (but not racist).

Calling someone 'mad as a box of frogs' is not xenophobic because it does not express a hatred, or hostility against a non-native.

It is expressing that the person is being ridiculous, and is as mad as a container full of amphibians.

It cannot be racist, as it has no hatred based on physical characterist differences, such as skin colour, hairtype, facial feathures etc.

To say that it is xenophobic or racist because the person addressed as being as 'mad as a box of frogs' is French, when she has not stated this on the thread is simply ridiculous.

If the person had said that she was French, then it would be rude and xenophobic to call her a 'frog', but in this case we have no reason to believe that both of the posters in question searched her history and discovered this.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 13/11/2012 20:45

I love the idea of 'good and decent fairy cakes'.

I won't hear a word said about overlaps with homophobic vocabulary.

LtEveDallas · 13/11/2012 20:46

Standing ovation MmeLindor

PetiteRaleuse · 13/11/2012 20:46

Good point. The group of French people may also go hopping mad at being locked up in a box together.

amillionyears · 13/11/2012 20:46

MmeLindor, that is my point.
I believe they did search.
I agree to differ with you and others on this point.

OP posts:
MmeLindor · 13/11/2012 20:47

By the time I posted that essay, Cuevo had said it much better. Never mind, I did like linking to the UN.

Amillion
It is ok to say, 'fuck me, but I got that wrong. Sorry'