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banned troll not banned at all

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frasersmummy · 23/05/2012 09:07

I have just discovered that a banned troll not only still has access to the site but is in fact linking to the bereaved mummies thread from her blog (with nasty comments )

I am really concerned that such a vulnerable group who like the anominity of mn is being dragged outwith the board

is there anything we can do to stop people linking to sensitive subjects on here

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HelenMumsnet · 23/05/2012 12:20

@shabbapinkfrog

I cant speak for FMummy MNHQ BUT I know I have reported this and other problems on there countless times...enough times that I am now sick of the sound of my own voice.

We do hope you got our latest mail to you, shabba? Do please reply to us if you have any further points to raise/any issues with what we've said.

HelenMumsnet · 23/05/2012 12:22

@frasersmummy

I never said it was private or anonymous.. what mn can do is listen when we tell them that we think there is a problem

its all very well saying we cant see anything untowards but when several people say the same thing we cant all be wrong

and then this..and its not just reading and linkiing this person posted personal comments aimed at me on the thread .. despite being "banned" I just think mn dropped the ball on this one

Please do mail us, frasersmummy. As we hope you can appreciate, it is not possible to answer your posts fully without knowing who you are talking about. And we really don't want to get into naming names on the boards.

shabbapinkfrog · 23/05/2012 12:47

No email or private message received MN....

Pinot · 23/05/2012 12:54

Can it not be made like OTBT then? Re: links and stuff.

I am v sad that posters have been upset by this.

Tee2072 · 23/05/2012 13:06

OTBT can be linked to, it's just not searchable by Google.

Pinot · 23/05/2012 13:09

Oh Blush

One day when I grow up I'm going to be all wise and that.

frasersmummy · 23/05/2012 13:10

I have emailed you mn..

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worzelswife · 23/05/2012 13:26

I'm so sorry to all this has affected that she is still upsetting people. What an utterly disturbing blog post she's written.

HelenMumsnet · 23/05/2012 13:28

@shabbapinkfrog

No email or private message received MN....

Shock We've sent you several over the past few weeks. Have you not got any of them?

HelenMumsnet · 23/05/2012 13:37

@frasersmummy

I have emailed you mn..

Thanks frasersmummy: got it! Mailing you back ASAP.

shabbapinkfrog · 23/05/2012 13:47

Nope - the last one I received was 17th April....just a standard reply. I dont delete anything I get from MN and I have checked in Spam and there is nothing there. Dont worry about it.....I have no new thoughts that are different from my last email and I would imagine that MNHQ are probably in the same boat. This whole mess has made me not want to even post on the thread....I have enough problems of my own without adding to them.x

HelenMumsnet · 23/05/2012 13:52

@shabbapinkfrog

Nope - the last one I received was 17th April....just a standard reply. I dont delete anything I get from MN and I have checked in Spam and there is nothing there. Dont worry about it.....I have no new thoughts that are different from my last email and I would imagine that MNHQ are probably in the same boat. This whole mess has made me not want to even post on the thread....I have enough problems of my own without adding to them.x

Am positive we have sent you several mails since 17th April, shabbs. And we were wondering why you hadn't replied, tbh.

Give us a mo to reply to frasersmummy - and then we'll dig out our mails to you and see what's going on. Maybe we've got the wrong email addy for you or summat...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/05/2012 13:56

Just wanted to add as there seems to be a bit of confusion.

Someone who is banned cannot post.
Someone is banned can read any of mumsnet
Someone who is banned can link to threads in mumsnet

Anyone in the whole wide world can read that painful, personal post you wrote. Everything on MN (except Off the Beaten Track) is spidered by search engines, and available to anyone who looks.

OhChristFENESTROSAURUS · 23/05/2012 14:01

That is all true ItsAll, but in this case the person also came onto the MN thread announcing who she was, i.e. the banned poster.

I don't know how MN can possibly stop a banned poster having access to the site though, but it is dreadful that she is able to post.

OhChristFENESTROSAURUS · 23/05/2012 14:02

access as in viewing I mean, I don't know how they could stop her reading.

Combinearvester · 23/05/2012 14:07

Unfortunately I don't think they can stop her posting, they can only be alert to the possibility of her posting on that thread albeit in another guise..

You see it is so easy to create a new login under a different guise, as simple as using a different computer or any number of websites that let you hide your IP address;

Unless MNHQ can make the bereaved parents thread a protected thread like you have to apply directly to MNHQ to join it / post on it? On SANDS you have to apply to post on the parents bit, I think compassionate friends do a similar thing?

shabbapinkfrog · 23/05/2012 14:12

Compassionate Friends used to be open to everybody - very, very sadly it isin't any more because of the exact same problem we have had....and are still having on the Bereaved Mums thread. Making the MN bereaved thread closed would still not ensure that 'people' (and I am not saying the word I want to say) did not tread all over it and disrespect the memories of our precious children. Only another 'truly' bereaved Mum can understand the impact and sadness this causes

Derklugehans · 23/05/2012 14:12

Personally, I think there is a very good case for making a very few threads protected threads. Even if you start a thread in OTBT, other people can start threads commenting on your OTBT thread; and of course anyone can read it.

It's a need for an online support group facility.

HelenMumsnet · 23/05/2012 14:26

@HelenMumsnet

[quote shabbapinkfrog] Nope - the last one I received was 17th April....just a standard reply. I dont delete anything I get from MN and I have checked in Spam and there is nothing there. Dont worry about it.....I have no new thoughts that are different from my last email and I would imagine that MNHQ are probably in the same boat. This whole mess has made me not want to even post on the thread....I have enough problems of my own without adding to them.x

Am positive we have sent you several mails since 17th April, shabbs. And we were wondering why you hadn't replied, tbh.

Give us a mo to reply to frasersmummy - and then we'll dig out our mails to you and see what's going on. Maybe we've got the wrong email addy for you or summat...[/quote]

Oh blimey, my apologies, shabba. Have had a look and can see we mailed you on 17th April, you're right, and we still have a mail from you on the 27th that hasn't had a reply. Blush

We're really sorry. Not sure what's gone on there - was certain we'd replied to that one and we waiting to hear back from you. How embarrassing.

We'll go back, say three hail Marys and then mail you like we should have done.

Combinearvester · 23/05/2012 14:36

Shabba I don't have any understanding of how it feels to be a bereaved parent like on your thread, I have suffered a late miscarriage so am coming from a position remembering some trolls who went on SANDS a few years ago. It did put me off posting, even though they were more of the emotional vampire kind and not aggressive like the person who goes on your thread.

Would you prefer the bereaved parents thread to be more moderated?

shabbapinkfrog · 23/05/2012 14:52

To be honest, for the last month or so, I haven't even wanted to be there. Have been there from the start which was over 5 years ago. Im tired of feeling uneasy on there. I dont know what the solution to the problem is. I have gone from angry all the way down to that horrible 'cant be bothered anymore' feeling.

RichTeaAreCrap · 23/05/2012 16:43

She is still around? What on earth is that poster getting out of doing these things?

All the ladies from the bereaved thread - I am so sorry you are dealing with this and now feeling uncomfortable on your own thread. You need a place you can go and talk openly to each other. This must be awful for you.

Elephantscantdothemoonwalk · 23/05/2012 17:02

This isn't fair. A thread like yours, deserves to be safe. I have no experience of what you are going through. Can mnhq modarate it better? Make sure that only those who post on there can access it?
I really hope that mnhq can do something.

MarthasHarbour · 24/05/2012 09:27

This is such a difficult Catch 22 situation.

I can absolutely see why there is an argument for the bereaved parents thread to be protected like OTBT, however, how will someone new to MN and recently bereaved know that it exists? and know that they can post somewhere they will get support, which is the purpose of the thread IYSWIM

i dont know if i have put that eloquently but i find it abhorrent what this person has done and am enraged that people like shabba and frasersmummy who have taken such comfort from that thread for so many years are now cant go back for fear of walking on eggshells Sad

other than stopping the 'person' registering again, i really dont know how MN could have prevented this happening

InterviewMAD · 24/05/2012 13:30

I am really sorry that regular posters feel like this about these events, but I think this is a bit trickier than it appears on here, isn't it?

I was around for all that stuff and I have read the blog in question more or less ever since. I don't believe that person was a troll in the way it is being made out here. She may have been a troll in the past and she certainly has a very raging, angry perspective on the world which she may have had ever before suffering a bereavement. However, she did lose a child and I understood the blog post she wrote. I saw it as deeply tortured and anguished and I can imagine it must have been very difficult to be included in it.

I don't read the bereavement thread but I did look at it via that post, and I also can't imagine the pain it would cause you to read people discussing how your loved, dead child never existed and that you made up the suffering you shared for fun. I remember the day that she was "revealed" because I was on the thread where it happened, and ironically, RL friends with one of the posters she then spoke about in her blog... and I was initially, like many regular MNers shocked and appalled that someone would make something like this up... but over the course of that thread it became certainly apparent to me that nothing had been made up but a lot of people were getting a vicarious thrill out of tearing this woman and her writing to shreds.

To me, it seemed it was a terrible and unfortunate confluence of events that led to the recent posts that were so upsetting for you both but there is real pain, suffering and bereavement here on both sides.

It's not actually a simple matter of a troll getting a kick out of dabbling in bereavement groups vicariously because they have, say, some other mental health or personality issue, is it?

At the same time, I understand why she is banned and perhaps needs to remain banned despite the unfortunate way this whole thing happened in the first place. I don't think it is healthy for her to be posting here but in some ways I think all mention of this should be banned too, because really, it's just not that straightforward.

Sadly, it is also true that this is a public forum and everyone's hearts are out there on a line no matter how much somewhere seems like a safe haven.

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