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Troll-hunting and subsequent Thread-ruining

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oneofsuesylvesterscheerios · 07/04/2012 16:42

Yes, in some ways this is a thread about a thread, although its actually an interesting general point too. Plus, I don't want to carry on the discussion on the actual thread as it would be too damaging and would take it off in a completely different direction.

So... If a poster broke the rules and shouted troll, and then they were chastised (rightly) and the post removed, unless the offending surrounding comments reacting to the troll-hunt are removed too, the damage has been done surely?

We assume when someone posts regarding a personal trauma that they are telling the truth (well I hope we do) and if we suspect anything, we surely just ignore these days: we know the MN guidelines, etc.

And we know that certain situations in life happen to a lot of people (bereavement, loss, break-ups, etc). So when someone goes through a horrible time, the beauty of MN is that we don't just get sympathy and unmumsnetty hugs; we get empathy from folk who have been there themselves. We also often get bloody good advice, practical and emotional.

A thread that contains an accusation of troll-hunting is blindingly obvious even when the offending poster's comments have been removed. And thus, the damage is done.

When my dad died last I had some fantastic support from mnetters who'd suffered the loss of a parent and knew how 'rootless' it can make you. I'd have been confused and beyond upset if anyone had questioned my grief online. It doesn't matter how many positive posters there are on thread; just one snarky comment and the wave of a pitchfork is enough to send the OP packing, at a time when they might need the 'anonymous' support of MN most.

So, what I'm asking MN Towers is: if troll-hunting is banned, and it's fully acknowledged how damaging this could be on a thread that offers support to lots of people, often not just the OP, shouldn't all references and posts regarding an accusation be completely removed so the thread can remain intact and totally focused on the thread subject? Otherwise, it seems pointless.

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PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 18:08

All of that is true, kickme, but the fact remains that people do get sucked in, and it's horrible to watch it happening.

And there are definitely times of the day/week when it takes MNHQ much longer to respond.

I don't like troll hunting, and the way in which it can sometimes be done here, but I think sometimes it's better to try and make some kind of post that might help to alert other posters to at least stop and think a little.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:16

It's horrible to watch a non-troll being torn to pieces.

So if Tsarinas could delete threads, would that work?

PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 18:18

I doubt it - I doubt any of the Tsarinas signed up for that kind of role/responsibility!

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:21

No, but it could be given to them.

The main complaint in favour of troll hunting is that MNHQ don't delete quickly enough.

If Tsarinas had that power, it would be a great deal quicker.

usualsuspect · 08/04/2012 18:22

The reason I use MN is because it has no moderators.

Appoint moderators and I'm off.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:23

Yes, fair enough. But thread deleters aren't moderators.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:24

And suspected troll threads are being "moderated" in a way.

PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 18:26

But thread deleters would absolutely be moderators! I agree with usual - the joy of MN is that it is lightly moderated. Far better to let the responsibility for deletion lie with fewer people, so that the style is as consistent as possible.

kickmewhenimdown · 08/04/2012 18:27

I absolutely don't doubt that some people get sucked in, but at the end of the day they are a fully grown adult posting in an unvetted forum to basically other anonymous people. If what they are posting could result in any way them being emotionally hurt then they need to seriously reconsider what it is they are posting. I just dont agree that some posters should have the right to throw troll accusations at other posters based on gut feeling (regardless if they are right or wrong).

usualsuspect · 08/04/2012 18:29

Well I don't agree with trolling

kickmewhenimdown · 08/04/2012 18:29

I dont think anyone agrees with trolling, unless i missed something?

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:29

Ruining a thread is much the same as deleting it. So in that way, moderation is happening already.

usualsuspect · 08/04/2012 18:30

The trolls are the problem , not the troll hunters.

usualsuspect · 08/04/2012 18:31

But we are meant to self moderate the board , I don't even know what a Tsarina is tbh Grin

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 18:32

They are the secret queens of MN.

PaquesJeLeVauxBien · 08/04/2012 18:35

Are you a Tsarina, breadbiscuit? Grin

OracleOnACrossacle · 08/04/2012 18:36

Well, how about instead of ranting against troll-hunters onthread (which happens) you take your own advice and report without engaging.

As usual keeps saying, its the trolls that cause the problem.

Oh, and the "well don't get so involved" argument doesn't work. Mn isn't that type of forum. We come here to forge relationships. On friday I am traveling 2hrs to meet up with mners I've never met before, because of friendships I've forged over the last 6y. I care about the posters on here.

usualsuspect · 08/04/2012 18:36

Who are they then? are you one?

BeerChicksPotter · 08/04/2012 18:36

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LeBOF · 08/04/2012 18:37

"Tsarinas" don't necessarily have any more skill at troll-spotting than anyone else though. Many of them aren't especially prolific or even regular posters any more.

If you want to change anything, it would be better to have a "ten troll reports in one night and thread is suspended until MNHQ look into it" policy.

I'm not that bothered what they do- it vaguely works as it is. Tbh, the threads get more detailed by the trollhunter-hunters than anything else.

everlong · 08/04/2012 18:38

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LeBOF · 08/04/2012 18:48

*derailed, sorry.

Yy, I agree with Beerchicks too.

BeerChicksPotter · 08/04/2012 18:54

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TheSlightlyScaryStalker · 08/04/2012 18:55

How would a Tsarina be better equipped to delete a troll than MNHQ? [buconfused]

Agree with BOF that troll-hunter hunters can derails threads all by themselves.

Often you have one Hmm post followed by a load of posts griping about the Hmm. Follow your own advice if you don't want threads derailed and report and keep it off the thread.

breadbiscuit · 08/04/2012 19:04

Yes, I'd go for the "ten troll reports in one night and thread is suspended" suggested by Bof.

No, I'm not a Tsarina. Grin