mn hq, can we have an explanation - jess - and maybe re other trolls in future?

[wannaBe]

I am aware that you can't divulge the means by which you determine whether or not a poster is genuine, predominantly because if you make that common knowledge then posters will know how to avoid being detected in the future.

but jess (long ongoing eleven weeks abortion threads) threads have now been deleted for being a troll, and I was wondering if, given it's the site users who usually report these things, we could perhaps have a bit more by way of explanation?

e.g. when sassysusan was banned, mn hq confirmed that she had previously posted as washwithcare, and users were able to identify.

There has been some speculation that jess was dizzymare, and I wondered whether this was the case?

Also, these threads have been ongoing for over a month now. How is it that it takes quite this long to determine that someone isn't actually all they seem?

I agree that SS wasn't a troll on the bereaved mums board, but it's proven she had been a troll previously. I think she had been a troll, and then when the worst thing that could happen to someone did, i think she came back here because she knew that it was the best place to get support and understanding. I don't think she ever intended for her previous trollery to come out - it only did by chance.

Why the PD?

Cod - I do believe that Sassy had a child that died....but she posted under so many different names....she caused massive problems across many threads. You just had to wait for her to loose her temper and the minute she started to post when she was angry you could spot her even if you had a blindfold on. Her and Dizzy have hardened my attitude to giving help....I will always help anyone especially if they have lost a child....its just that now I take much more care in my replies on MN. I think there are still times now that I am taken for a complete fool by people who are not what they appear to be on the bereavement threads. Sometimes you have to think about your own emotional health, as selfish as that might sound.

Ah, I wasn't aware of all that, just remember the bereavement stuff and believed in her. Now it's mentioned I do remember Washwithcare...

Also wasn't there the really weird one (not SS or WWC) who called herself Mrswoodhouse or some such name and posted some very questionable stuff. Good few years back now - oh and JudgeFlounce who turned out to be a hairy trucker from Wales IIRC. Ve

Really do not understand why people do this kind of thing.

Sorry, the sceptical face was re sassysusan not being a troll - my understanding was that certain things she posted about were true and others were not.

I totally agree with the the above advice about only posting what does not 'cost' you too much. There are aspects about my reproductive history I am happy to talk about, here and in RL, and others that I keep properly private.

I think looking after you own emotional health is not at all selfish, just common sense and a responsible thing thing to do tbh.

I think in truth we will never know whether sassysusan was real or not. Just because someone has a blog means nothing. And even the fact that there apparently was a child (down to newspaper obituaries etc that were linked to at the time) doesn't mean that that person was the actual mother of the child who had died. It is incredibly easy to take on someone else's story. And tbh I don't think mn hq would have been so quick to ban her, and iirc delete all of her posts, if they weren't absolutely certain that she was a troll. Even if it had been proven she had previously trolled here I think that mn hq would have given the benefit of the doubt. After all, we need never have known that she had been wwc, we could just have remained oblivious and just thought SS was a fairly unpleasant individual (and she was unpleasant, regardless of what she might have been through). I am going to stick my neck out and say I think it's more likely that the real bereaved mother became aware that her story had been stolen, possibly through mn hq's intervention, possibly because of someone on here, I remember there were people talking about contacting vicars and such at the time, and that mn hq decided to out her completely, which is, to be fair, a completely unprecedented step on their part.

Wise words Wannabe x

My DS4 (aged 14) has the right idea. I was on his laptop and he asked what was I doing....'just trying to find out if this poster is for real or not.' He looked at their posts and then said - with a face like this 'Mother (usually calls me Mum but was angry with me) 'Of course that is a troll....then he closed the laptop on my hands and said 'DO.....NOT....COMMENT....DO....NOT....FEED....THE....TROLL!!'

I got in trouble from a teenager!!

codandchops there have been quite a few over the years. And on some weird level they do fascinate me which is probably why I remember them.

Judge flounce was before my time, but iirc he/she/it also had a child who had died.

I think my first experience of a troll was the fox troll whose other name I don't recall, but she was escaping an abusive relationship in Japan, users had clubbed together to get her clothes/money/toys for her children/somewhere to stay. She claimed her dh was something in the British Embacy and that she couldn't leave Japan - someone even suggested getting her a fake passport! I don't remember how ait allcame about but a poster somehow got in touch with her mother and it turned out it was all fabricated. she'd also trolled here previous to that, and a mn'er had met her in rl and held her baby while she packed a suitcase to leave her abusive h. all fabricated. the fallout was massive and posters left mn because of it.

I remember the troll who said she was pregnant and her husband had beaten her because the house was a mess and she was posting between cleaning the house, she then went on to go in to premature labour and have a little girl who she called hope, was that dizzymare??? I think there were even photos of "her baby", but that was one sick troll

I think its a bit unfair that SS keeps coming up the the troll threads.
That CP thread was important and got through to even the most dunderheaded the importance of not taking your poxy child out where ever you damn well wanted to.

I dont know what she did before and I dont care. She didnt make up a dead child though and I dont like the way this seems to have entered into MN history. The fact that she came on the scene so soon after Dizzymare, who hurt so many lovely people, seems to have made them synonymous (sp) to many when there isnt any connection.

This post is not directed at you Shabs and I know you had a terrible time with the Dizzymare thing.

My god my brains are on fire. One troll came on multiple births and bereavement - had very late miscarried twin girls...put pictures on of them. DS4 again!! - found the picture on an NHS site about twins.....she had nicked it and used it....that could have been Dizzy....she was always getting beaten up and locked in the house and...........

Thanks Mrs D. I do believe that Sassy lost her little girl. I did try defending her to anybody who would listen. BUT it all got a bit scary - I got many angry phone calls from her telling me what people were saying about her. She does un-nerve me. xx

Shabba, I do remember that now but I don't think that is the one I am thinking of, but yes I do remember that poster now. I remember the photos

rabid I can't remember who that poster was but she was outed fairly quickly when hunker pointed out that the picture of her baby was a picture from the internet. interestingly she'd overlooked the fact the picture had a caption underneath it.

I also remember all the misleading and quite frankly dangerous calpol advice that was scary

PMSL was it Dizzy? Cant remember - in fact I think my brain doesn't want to.....DS4 just looks at me....copies and pastes stuff that I am asking about then googles it - he then tuts at me and goes back to killing zombies on his Wii

If we're doing a roll call lets not forget Mozhe the watersking, nanny employing mother of a premature baby!

Shabba is your DS4 my DS1? Sounds soooooo like my DS1