dear mn hq, please could something be done about the anti sn posts on mn

[2shoes]

as I know you are aware(I have the emails) people from the sn community have left this week, due to the vile things that have been said to the/or about SN.
isn't it time that mn hq took some steps to eradicate this, as you do with trolls? surely disablist/anti sn/ personal attacks should be deleted and something done about the posters.
or do we just keep loosing well informed, SN educated people from mn.
(no I can't link to a thread as there has been too many)

Sorry, massive cross-post.

I don't want to post too much about the Fem section because I don't want to detract from the main issue here. But peachy, I really do not think you come across like that, ever! Don't worry. I'm sure I've said stupid things about disabilities too, because I'm ignorant. But most of us try to learn, don't we?

Yes I get it nnow. I suspect certain posts of mine if you dont know me come over that way but not a lot I can do about it. Somene can always check me by blowin up the MN server and searching for my posts

FWIW rape apologists piss me off. I just can't see how difficult it is to understand that rape is always but always wrong. If there's any doubt about consent back away and don't put yourself at risk. Not exactly challenging.

I really doubt you ever come over that way, honest. It's not something that you can do in one or two posts IMO, it's something that happens over several threads - you realize someone is doing the same thing over and over, despite having generated a lot of in-depth discussion of that issue. It is I think exactly the situation you get with stuff like 'ADHD doesn't exist' or whatever - it is trolling, really, to insist on reiterating that position over and over, generating the same careful explanations from regular SN posters who know their stuff, and then expecting them to do it again another time. I don't post much because it's not my area, but something I notice a lot at the moment is the number of people who need explained again and again that the term 'retard' is highly offensive. In the end you start wondering who's on the wind-up, really.

I don;t get peple who use a word once it's been explained it's offensive; you'd need pretty limited language skills not to be able to think of alternatives so why woudl you upset peple? Except some people think it's their rigt to stroll through life upsetting whosoever they want and they are just rude and unreasonable

FWIW, I think that all posts should stand and the only posts that should ever be deleted are those where the request has come from the poster themselves.

I would much rather be able to see that someone has been/is being a complete tit than infer it from the posts in response; no matter what topic.

I happen to know that Fanjo, Glitterknickaz, Peachy, Herbietea and a lot of other posters are NOT tits, as I've been here a very long time and lurk a lot. However, if I were not such an old hand, reading any of those threads now I would get entirely the wrong impression.

if you find yourself explaining again to someone who didn't change their ways the first time that could mean they disagreed with you and dismissed your demand to change.

@StewieGriffinsMom

I think it would be helpful for MNHQ to be more visible on individual threads making people aware of why there are mass deletions, particularly if it is for troll-hunting.

Sometimes it's hard to ignore and report when the poster in question is making the same offensive posts over and over again. SN and the Feminism section both seem to suffer from unpleasant concern trolls whose posts don't directly contravene MN Talk Guidelines but which do feel like personalised attacks. If MNHQ were more proactive and visible in these types of situations, then less people would feel like their individual concerns were being ignored.

Good point, Stewie. We did do this on the Dale Farm evictions thread, in fact. And we will certainly bear that in mind in the future.

HelenMN
Apologies, I see that the post from the offensive poster has been removed, but the name stays there. here Someone else commented upthread that the poster was still posting, I didn't check it again.

Onager

depends

If it's something absed purely on opinion I agree

if it's matter of fact over bigotry (so back to ADHD bad parenting V damage to teh corpus callosum) nope. Becuase just letting it stand emans that somone one eprson might think I ahve been converted to their POV.

Although 'I know absolutely yo u re tlaking bollocks but ahve better things to do than educate the MN bigots' might well be worth a shot.

R***rus - what an absolute charmer.

I read that post from Glitterknickaz, about the appalling lack of support she got on her thread.

It's certainly not the first time, I HOPE it is the LAST.

ok am on a break but wanted to see how this thread had panned out,
well looks like nothing has changed although
Hi all,

We are aware of this thread and we will have a look tomorrow when we are all back in the office.

Please do keep posting, we always appreciate feedback both good and bad.

Best
MNHQ

was posted yesterday.
seems the trolls/bigots/vile people have won

2shoes they have deleted posts on glitters thread and the one about baby safety.

and they did apologise for being slow on the uptake.

the thread i did seems to be panning out ok and wasnt taken over by anti-sn posters or trolls, well not so far :)

so nothing huge but more people are aware of the problem and hopefully that will mean a bit more support?

But that should have been done anyway.

2shoes - exactly! Too little, too late x

i have still not got over how they deleted the angry posts from supportive posters, but left the troll like posts.

hiding posters will just allow the trolls and anti's more freedom.
I can just imagine reporting a disablist post.
well dear you could hide the poster ....
(not saying mn hq would do that, just an example)

There are so many of these threads (about horrid posters) I didn't know which one to write to - so here I am. I've just read two of the distressing threads all the way through, as far as possible with all the deletions!

I think the bigoted/ignorant posts should stay. Reason being that I've learned a lot from the replies. Mumsnet has a high proportion of articulate, informed and opinionated members, who respond to attacks with powerful arguments and insights into situations that are never publicised via mass media. Tonight I've been really impressed by loudlass's posts, for example. I don't think she would have written everything she did, had it not been for the ravings of LOTM and friends.

This, of course, is the reason for debate at any forum, real-life and virtual. The heat of Mumsnet discussion is one of its strengths. The devil's advocates fuel that heat - hide them and you won't get the passionate responses.

I say this despite having felt bullied and 'triggered' myself - suffering real distress - and knowing that a few posters have also felt victimised by me. I've always been one to argue back, though, so I know the risks as do my 'victims'. We already have very supportive boards here, where aggressive troublemakers should be deleted and usually are. AIBU isn't one of them. Neither are the political topics, including FWR. Sensitive threads should go on the sensitive boards.

IABU to have made this so wordy Sorry - blame tiredness!

I don;t think it's good to extend the AIBU pile in thing to politics; AIBU was set up long after politics specifically to keep fights away from the main board, and it is entirely understandable that someone would want to comment about how policies etc affect poorer people, chidlren and adults with Sn in a debate.

It's also the appropriate forum to gain awareness of issues that affect a minority but need wider awareness, such as ATOS.

I post, I get upset, it is at different levels at different life stages. If I am low I am more likely to post in a controversial area; I know this about myself. It's my version I guess of getting hammered and sleeping with the wrong people (I am not 22 any more!). Other peoplea re far more vulnerable and dealing with things way above what I face- life limiting disorders, genetic tests with ubknown outcomes. TBH if someone can;t be arsed to modify the way they speak (doesn't mean change their opinion) for someone going through that then they are beneath me.

It's great BTW when people whoa re informed want to go on a thread but thre in no way be a sense that either they are responsible for putting tehmselves out there or nastiness and bigotry can go unchallenged. The information should be a bonus not a right. This is not my employment.

AIBU is of course a fight zone; maybe AIBU threads shouldn;t show in the busy threads box on the side? I have them hidden but they flag up there and I get drawn in. maybe AIBU should only be seen if you want AIBU?

As a member of the SN community who has on several occassions reported posts that have been deeply offensive which have then, to my disapointment, been allowed to stand, I ask this: if you replace the disablist comments with racist attacks would they be allowed to stay? We all know the answer is NO.

Personally, I think that anyone who airs these vile opinions should be subject to an immediate ban. That especially goes to the poster with the NN R***RUS. Why should they be allowed to stay on a forum with a NN like that?

MNHQ - it is not enough to say that you like these comments to stand as people police them and shoot them down. If you wouldn't allow racist abuse to stand then please afford some of the most vulnerable members of society the same protection by showing that disablist abuse will NOT be tolerated. It is only by standing up and saying that it won't be tolerated that we can change society's attitude as a whole.

This will be an unpopular POV, but since AIBU appears to be the most popular area of the boards, is it right that lower standards of behaviour are expected from posters, and that those involved with disabiity/feminism etc should just steer clear?