Tik Tok is leaving MN as a result of the Milupa advertisement on the home page.

[moondog]

Please good MN people,see sense!
Whodo we really need more,Tik Tok or bloody Aptamil????

This board will lose so much if she goes......

C'mone ladies,add your voice!

I do feel this site does make women feel infereere not as good(!!!!) if they dont breast feed!

feel I need to repeat...who is tiktok targeting?

yes but who will this affect?

Caligula - I have read.... and still can't understand what the fuss is about..... sorry if the fact I've just logged on and am grabbing moments, in between my Manager staring at me, to post..... pardon me for making people go over the same stuff again!

Thanks Soupy for clarifying that. So it ISN'T illegal to advertise follow on milk? And do Milupa do follow on milk.... yes.

mts what is your question? When you say who is TT targeting, to what are you referring? Her last post, or her leaving?

Harpischordcarrier, your comments, whilst obviously heartfelt are really not very helpful...in the past 17mths I have never felt such guilt or panic over every single choice I made for my DS (I breastfed btw), thats the nature of motherhood. There are plenty of new mothers who can't/won't breastfeed and your comments only serve to make them feel like crap. My friend is 6 months pregnant and has been told there is very little chance that she will ever be able to breastfeed due to her milk ducts being too short, she is going to try but chances are it won't happen.

I/ totally with Toothache on this. Can not understand for the life of me why anyone would get worked up over this.

I totally understand that breast is best, but formula is a damn close second. Lets stop vilifying Mums who use formula and MN for taking money from an advertiser who sells a product most of us would probaly use.

Much more important issues to deabte IMO

mumtosomeone: I apologise if you did not use the word 'pompous'. it may have been someone else with posts in your vein.

I will therefore reword my introduction:

I think it is unfair of you to ask so many members of this board to reiterate their reasons to you when they have spelt them out in about 3 threads so far. It may make you seem pompous to others to hear you ask 'why?'etc. repeatedly when by taking the time to read some of the pertinent posts on the topic you will get a picture without asking others to spell it out to you.

I am sorry if I have offended anyone but I repeat I am not making any judgments about anyone's choices. I am just asking - who speaks for the baby? It's a valid question I think. What generalisation am I making?

Harpsichordcarrier, your post is harsh. You make it sound like women who feed their children formula are giving their children arsenic!!!!!! Sometimes, bottlefeeding is the best for a woman and her baby, for whatever reason. I am an avid bfer, but I am also pro choice. What about woman with HIV? Do you suggest they bf, just because it's "best" for the baby?

Here here Northerner!

i would like to point out that althopugh i b/f my children, i had to stop b/f dd at 9 weeks as i had a blood clot and had to be put on warfarin, i had no choice but to bottle feed, i would hate to have been made to feel bad about it, of course breast is best, but sometimes not possible.

Caligula!

Actually, I dont think formula is a close thing thing to breastmilk. There are hundreds of ingredients in breastmilk that havent even been discovered as to what they are and formula cannot recreate a lot of what we know about breastmilk already. The formula companies want you to think is very close but it's not.

the people who speak for the baby are its parents in usual circumstances

I could be wrong but I thought it was accepted now that for some women with hiv it is okay to bf.

I think it is unfair of you to ask so many members of this board to reiterate their reasons to you when they have spelt them out in about 3 threads so far. It may make you seem pompous to others to hear you ask 'why?'etc. repeatedly when by taking the time to read some of the pertinent posts on the topic you will get a picture without asking others to spell it out to you.

eh?

I disagree about the baby choosing. I think a baby would choose a happy mum every time. My mum bottlefed and I would have hate her to breastfed me if she didnt want to.
That said she wasnt allowed to anyway by the hospital as formula was seen to be best.

Ks - Got to disagree..... when I was pregnant ALL I heard about was breastfeeding!!!!

Formula is an essential part of parenting..... I think some people perhaps just need to get used to that idea!

i meant that tiktok will not upset Milupa!!
Can she not see that her stand is not affecting the people she wants it to but the people she supports?

I understand her standing up to what she believes in..but...to what cost?

This is not about breast v. bottle. AFAIK there is no breast v. bottle issue - you feed your baby in the way that best suits you, no-one should attempt to make you feel guilty about the choices you make. This is about Milupa getting round the ban on advertising formula milk for babies under 6 months in the guise of a pro-breast-feeding parental advice website.

I suppose it's inevitable that this will just turn into yet another massive row where everyone gets angry and defensive - but that's not what it was about in the first place, and it's not why tiktok is leaving.

Blimey my Dad was fed Carnation milk as a newborn. What chance does he have then?

so what is the closest thing to breast milk?
Sorry to repeat but I seem to get ignored!

or misquoted!!!

Still think it's all a bit pompous, yes it was me who said it not mumtosomeone!!

Surely MN needs advertising to keep it alive, it's a business not a hollier than thou, we know it all site. It helps loads of people me included and if it needs to advertise aptamil to keep it afloat then who are we to say it shouldn't?? None of us are bigger than this site and as I said before if you find something that you don't agree with don't read it!!

Realise this will make me very unpopular but the whole breast feeding/bottle feeding thing gets blown out of all proportion sometimes here, woman choose what they think is right and I don't for one minute believe there are really mums out there who think MN is SOOOO wonderful they must bottle feed using an advertised product just cos it's on MN!! Give me a break!! So do we all shop in mothercare and John Lewis just cos it's advertised here??

But toothache, it is an essential part but not everyone wants to use it, they often feel they have no choice when actually they do. I was told to give ds formula in hospital as he was a big baby and I did. I was told again to give formula with dd as she was big. WHen i refused I was told I was starving her and left alone. Noone helped me with breastfeeding and no one helped me with a crying baby as I refused formula.