Which Driver was at fault (video) ?

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NOT my video. Or my cars. But I drive this road regularly.
I think black car (VW Golf?) is at fault for being in wrong lane (far right of 3 lanes) as someone who obstensibly wanted to go 'straight' on. Or is white Fiat 500 wrong for pulling onto RAB when there was oncoming traffic...

What do you reckon?

Black car coming off. His exit wasn't clear but he carried on regardless. He could obviously see the white car so should have pulled over behind it before exiting.

It's hard to tell and not clear. You'd need a birds eye view, from above?

Wasn't the white car in the slip lane? but instead of turning right, carried on, to the next junction, ie straight ahead, for the white car. So in the wrong lane.

The black car is in the inside lane on the roundabout. But then turns off, onto the first exit. So is also in the wrong lane.

The white car is at fault.

@INeedNewShoes exact same thing happened me TWICE recently at a similar roundabout. No accident tho - avoided both times just a good old honk.
Been driving it for 20 years and distinctly remember my instruction telling me why it was a bit different due it being a two lane entry and exit despite being a teeny tiny roundabout - so could go straight in either lane

Car sped round from the right and assumed I was going off left despite because I was in outside lane.

The white car was in the wrong as the black car was indicating to exit the roundabout. If I were the black car driver, I would assume the white car was taking the same exit.

Both. White car shouldn't have pulled on, but black car should not have changed lane if it was not clear to do so.

The white car was in the wrong as the black car was indicating to exit the roundabout. If I were the black car driver, I would assume the white car was taking the same exit

Oh, dear God.

White car, vehicle first on roundabout has priority and you give way to traffic from the right.

FFS, not when changing lanes!

To take that exit the black car should have been in middle lane, not inside lane.

Wasn't the white car in the slip lane?

I don't know definition of "slip lane". At point of collision, White car was in a lane that continues all the way around the entire RAB.

Who changed lane? the black car was in a lane for straight through. The white car should have stopped to give way to the black because it was on the roundabout first and also coming from it’s right hand side. I think the black could avoided the collision but the white was the one that broke the rules. Hence white at fault.

Who changed lane? the black car was in a lane for straight through.

Look at the lines on the road. That should give you a clue.

I think the black car is at fault. On a three lane roundabout I would move over to the inside lane (or middle lane if the exit had two lanes) when approaching the exit and I would not cross lanes to exit without checking there was no vehicle in that lane. I certainly wouldn't zoom across two lanes to come off with out looking.

The white car shouldn’t have pulled out when there’s a car coming from their right on a roundabout.

I'm glad that the replies are mixed. I suspect some form of mixed blame would be settled by insurers. I keep flip flopping trying to decide which car was more to blame! More importantly, I'm going to be more paranoid going thru these RABs in future (ie, tomorrow).

It’s a stupid layout, the road markings say he entered in a correct lane. The right lane. But that the middle lane can also be used for going straight on.

And I imagine that’s why he’s exiting at 12 o’clock in the right hand lane. He wouldn’t want to change lane as someone in the lane to the left of him could also be exiting at 12 o’clock and then he’d cut them up or hit them.

Definitely the black car is wrong.
There were 3 lanes entering the RB. 1 for the first or '9 o clock' exit. Middle lane for the 12, and right for the 3 o clock or come back to the 6 o clock again.
You should not be crossing 3 lanes in a short distance. If the black car had started in the middle lane, they could have changed into the left lane or exited left beside another exiting car.
But on arrival this middle lane had a queue to enter the RB. So the black car entered on the inside lane, leading it to need to make a sharp turn to get across 2 lanes to it's exit, which it did at speed & causing the accident.

The roundabout markings are at fault.

Three lanes going straight on at the entrance to the roundabout however the straight on/right lane never filters to actually go straight on.

Because of the markings as they entered the black car had the "right" to go straight on but, from the white car's perspective, "should" have been going right because that's how the lanes on the roundabout are marked.

I'd be seriously tempted to take it up with the highways agency. It is obviously a misleading and dangerous layout as the issue is being raised over and over again. In your position I would probably use the straight left or the central lane and be very very vigilant.

I'd say it was a badly laid our roundabout. I had an accident a few years back. I was going straight on from the left hand lane, other driver was going left from the middle lane. According to the road markings we were both equally right and equally wrong. I think this is a similar situation.

There were 3 lanes entering the RB. 1 for the first or '9 o clock' exit. Middle lane for the 12, and right for the 3 o clock or come back to the 6 o clock again.

Nope, the markings on the lanes entering the roundabout say both the middle lane and right lane are for 12 o’clock.

There’s a roundabout in Sheffield with similar shit markings which catches people,out.

An instructor's opinion.

I just disagree that the drivers shown aren't bad drivers. Most don't indicate when clearly crossing lanes and at speed.

The road markings should be better, but as long as the lanes are clearly marked, anyone crossing them should use due care, indicators, and let people already on a lane go through first.

The black car looks in the wrong lane to exit to me. It clearly crossed a white lane marker right into the white car which is already in a lane on the roundabout. However the black car does have right of.way as it is the roundabout before the white one so legally I assume the white car is responsible. I'd say the black car was driving more dangerously though

Actually, after looking at the birds eye road view, the right hand lane the black car used is actually marked with a right turn arrow. The middle and left lane are for straight on, so I revise my earlier answer to the black car was in the wrong. They were in the wrong lane, and explains why the white car felt safe to pull out, as the black car should have been continuing around the roundabout.

Not read the comments yet.
I just knew roughly where it was going to be before the video even started.
I don’t think I can go on a Norwich based journey without seeing a car abandoned on a roundabout these days.