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Which Driver was at fault (video) ?

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lljkk · 20/01/2020 19:29

NOT my video. Or my cars. But I drive this road regularly.
I think black car (VW Golf?) is at fault for being in wrong lane (far right of 3 lanes) as someone who obstensibly wanted to go 'straight' on. Or is white Fiat 500 wrong for pulling onto RAB when there was oncoming traffic...

What do you reckon?

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Stevienickssleeves · 20/01/2020 19:32

Both at fault.

Looneytune253 · 20/01/2020 19:37

Surely white car shouldn't be pulling on full stop if there are cars on the roundabout but obv black car is in wrong lane too. I would say mostly white car in the wrong

Rejectville · 20/01/2020 19:38

Lane markings show the right lane was for going straight on. The car with the dash cam was in the same and went straight on. It’s the white car at fault for not giving way to traffic approaching from the right.

ScandiGirl10 · 20/01/2020 19:46

Poorly laid out roundabout at the beginning the far right lane has a straight on arrow - you would expect this to filter into the middle but it doesn’t - I would have followed the road as the black car did. White car shouldn’t have pulled out onto oncoming traffic considering the speed it could get up to, however I don’t know how black car didn’t spot the the fiat and break so question his/her attention.

Stevienickssleeves · 20/01/2020 19:48

Yes the white car was clearly visible

AwdBovril · 20/01/2020 19:51

I would think, they are both in the wrong lane considering where they are going. I don't know how the black car didn't see the white car though, or perhaps they did & thought they could speed past in front of them - in which case I'd say it's more the fault of the driver of the black car. Possibly.

SleepingInYourFlowerbed · 20/01/2020 19:54

Both. The white car shouldn't have assumed the black was going round and not straight so shouldn't have pulled on to the roundabout. However the black had plenty of time to spot the white had pulled onto the roundabout and slow down so should have done that (even though the white was in the wrong to begin with)

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lljkk · 20/01/2020 19:57

I think this might be overview of the journey the black VW did, from lower right to upper left.

When I enter these RABs, planning to go straight ahead (2nd exit), I tend to keep to left most lane & try to make sure I can get past the first exit before any approaching traffic would possibly catch up to me. Am not sure that's safe, though. Getting into the middle lane might be safer. That black car was travelling hugely faster than the Fiat. But would have not assumed what the Fiat was doing (that they overtook on the RAB) if Fiat had been in middle lane.

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TrashPanda · 20/01/2020 19:58

Black car wasn't in the wrong lane as far as the markings show, maybe by local knowledge but that can't be relied on. I would be interested in the markings on the lane the white car was entering from.

INeedNewShoes · 20/01/2020 19:58

I've been meaning to ask for opinions on precisely this scenario after similar happened to me recently. Gladly we didn't collide. I pulled off a two-lane roundabout from the outside lane into the outside lane of the road straight ahead and nearly crashed with a car that had appeared out of nowhere on the inside lane trying to continue around the roundabout.

It actually happens quite a lot, to the extent that where there's a choice I now always opt for the inside lane.

TrashPanda · 20/01/2020 20:00

The lane markings on the screenshot don't seem to match the video. It was left, straight on, straight on and right on the video and as far as I can see none are the same

user1497207191 · 20/01/2020 20:05

50:50. White car should have seen black car was indicating and waited for it to pass. Black car could see white car had pulled out but turned into it's path anyway.

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lljkk · 20/01/2020 20:06

Previous pic is not an overview of the right RAB, either. Coz the Fiat had a lane to keep going straight from where they entered. There are 3 lanes all the way around.

This pic is right lane layout, but it's driving on right size of road :).
"Mal" = Wrong btw. Says the Fiat was in correct lane if going straight ahead. Which implies black car was in Wrong lane for going straight ahead.

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lljkk · 20/01/2020 20:07

... yeah, the orange car is in the wrong in the pic I just posted, doing same maneuver as the black VW did, using inside most lane to go straight ahead.

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lljkk · 20/01/2020 20:11

Different driver, same maneuver (almost turned out, er, kind of interesting!!)

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TrashPanda · 20/01/2020 20:11

That's convention on roundabouts in the absence of markings to the contrary though. The black car was definitely in the correct lane to go straight over or right which they did. If the white car markings showed straight and left they were in the right lane but shouldn't have entered the roundabout on front of the black car. The black car should have had time to clock the white car doing something stupid and avoid hitting them.

TrashPanda · 20/01/2020 20:14

The orange car is cutting across the roundabout though, not following his lane which is wrong, not the same. The second video isn't the same either.

Soontobe60 · 20/01/2020 20:15

The black car was in the rhl of 3, then crossed over into the middle lane just at the turn off. I can see that the white car would assume it was going straight on

user1497207191 · 20/01/2020 20:17

The black car was in the rhl of 3, then crossed over into the middle lane just at the turn off. I can see that the white car would assume it was going straight on

The black car was indicating left so it's a bit of a giveaway it was leaving the roundabout at that exit.

Lweji · 20/01/2020 20:20

Definitely the black car. They should have changed lanes safely to the left to approach the exit, behind the white car, not in front.

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lljkk · 20/01/2020 20:20

Driving instructor commentary. I don't think he likes people using the RH-most lane to go straight on.

I feel like that only way to avoid being cut off by a fast maniac is to wait until the RAB is completely empty, which isn't realistic either.

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yogo · 20/01/2020 20:22

I think the white car

Lweji · 20/01/2020 20:22

The black car was indicating left so it's a bit of a giveaway it was leaving the roundabout at that exit
Not necessarily, it could just be changing to the other lane. And putting the indicators on doesn't give the right to move anywhere when they want to.

TrashPanda · 20/01/2020 20:28

The black car was in the correct lane entering the roundabout but should have moved over after the first exit in anticipation of leaving at the second exit. The white car shouldn't have pulled onto the roundabout in front of a car, even if the black one had been going round further the white one still pulled out in front of a vehicle already using the roundabout.

Sweetpotatoaddict · 20/01/2020 20:32

White car, vehicle first on roundabout has priority and you give way to traffic from the right.

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