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Anyone waiting for Herts / N London 11+ results?

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bluegreencherry · 10/01/2025 19:29

Our DS is only sitting two - Habs and St Albans. Second round for Habs next week, waiting to hear whether he will get invited back for second round of St Albans. I'm finding all this waiting is shredding my nerves, so if anyone else is in a similar position with these schools and fancies a pointless chat / baseless speculation on impact of VAT on applications / the process / Plan Bs, please say so!

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MeenaM · 05/02/2025 16:39

Hi all, I’ve been lurking and reading all your messages. My DS also had a call back and loved his session, SAS is the only school we have applied to but one thing I’ve heard and not sure how true it is but after the end of year assessments each year if you aren’t performing they ask you to leave? Has anyone else heard this?

BarqsHasBite · 05/02/2025 18:01

Hi @MeenaM
I've not heard this about SAS. That's not to say it never happens but I'd be surprised if it was a regular occurrence.

Most independent schools will want to "manage out" pupils who are very disruptive and academically selective schools may also "manage out" consistently under-performing pupils. AFAIK it's relatively rare, not least as it would be very off-putting for prospective parents! And I'd be really surprised if SAS did this on the basis of a single end of year test, I'd expect it to happen only after a prolonged period of under-performance and after measures have been tried to improve things first. But again, that's all me speculating...

Best of luck on the 14th!

MeenaM · 05/02/2025 18:20

Hi @BarqsHasBite so very true, I’ve spent most of this year speculating everything! I’m such an overthinker! Part of me loved the school and think it would be great for DS but he’s said a couple of times that there’s no girls (he’s currently at a mixed prep school)! Hope everyone gets the offers they are hoping for!

SunnyIslandSea · 05/02/2025 23:42

@MeenaM We have also deliberated a lot over this. We would have much preferred co-educational; indeed all our four other private options and one state are co-educational.

Had a big talk with DS tonight who has previously said he ‘doesn’t know’ a lot about which school to go for. But tonight he instigated the conversation and said he doesn’t want to be on the coach for 50 mins each way every day and he doesn’t want to do clubs and be home at 6:50pm. He actually said ‘if I have to do clubs, i only want to do them once a week’ 😩 I feel back to the drawing board on our decision making; we were ready to bite the bullet and go for St Albans if offered because we thought he could handle the journey. I don’t know whether to push him on this and he’ll get used to it; or to listen to him now because if we go for it he might burn out. 😬

Backtothefuture7 · 07/02/2025 08:51

All depends , my son gets coach sick and 50 mins each way is a long time , that’s nearly 10 hours of time travelling a week that could be spend on his homework or other local activities
I would suggest you do a week practice run over the half term hols - he gets up - goes to the bus stop then you guys travel to St Albans by car
spend a few hours there then do come back
best to do it now whilst we are in winter hours
see how he feels , especially if he has a friend that he already knows that potentially will go with him
5 -7years of coach travelling is a big commitment

BarqsHasBite · 07/02/2025 09:46

That does sound a dilemma @SunnyIslandSea! So your other options are co-ed and not such a long commute but you were less keen on them than SAS for other reasons?

My commute to secondary (from Y8) was a coach journey of about 1h20 each way. Which sounds horrific but was actually fine - I had a good bunch of friends including some “cool” older kids, then for the last 3 years my boyfriend which certainly helped! 🤣

However:

  • there weren’t nearly as many clubs as there are today so I didn’t miss out on anything (I wasn’t especially sporty or into drama and that was all there was).
  • when I got older, I guess Y11 onwards, and wanted to see friends in the evenings or weekends it would often mean my parents having to drive me to the town where my school was (about 35 min away, coach took so long due to traffic and dropping at other schools before mine).
  • I’ve heard that coach journeys now may not be very sociable as everyone just stares at their phones the whole time 😞

In addition, I live in St Albans and it’s my prediction (more speculation!) that the traffic is going to get quite a bit worse, maybe in the next 3 years and certainly the next 5.

There are some big new housing developments planned to the East (next to the existing Oaklands Grange development); South East (near Nicholas Brakespear school) and also to the North at the SAS Woollam playing fields which are in part being sold off! Apparently there will still be enough room for all the pitches needed by SAS.

So if you’re approaching from those sides of town it could mean the journey times increase.

SunnyIslandSea · 07/02/2025 14:04

Thank you @Backtothefuture7 and @BarqsHasBite

Lots of food for thought here. We will try the journey in Feb half term, that’s a really good idea 👍

I think it’s missing out on the extracurricular Im most upset about as he’s now made it quite clear he doesn’t want to be home that late. So I guess the question is are the academics worth it for us? Our co-ed private options have fantastic extra curriculars too and he’d be able to take his pick of them and get home in good time. But none of our co-ed options have results anywhere near the standard of SAS. However, I do feel most of the day is spent in lessons being taught so that needs to be effective time. I also feel if we are paying then why pay for the less academic school, I almost feel we need to get our moneys worth and get a more guaranteed academic outcome but I don’t know if that’s the wrong way of looking it…DS said he feels it’s just showing off when I’ve said he should do it because it’s ‘a top 50’ school. He actually said who are we trying to show off to? 😩 I said it’s not about that, it’s about giving you the best chances

BarqsHasBite · 07/02/2025 14:39

Getting the academics “just right” has been a priority for us- we want somewhere reasonably high achieving but not hot-house. That said I’m not bothered if a school is 30th or 90th in the tables, the differences are unlikely to be huge or tell you anything about how your child will fare at one school versus another.

However, it’s worth remembering that a school can be high achieving but have mediocre teaching - the good results may be due to being highly academically selective and having very driven kids/families (who may be having tutoring in addition). Not suggesting this is the case with SAS, just that it’s always a possibility.

You can also have lower performing schools where the teaching is excellent and they do a fantastic job of getting their pupils to reach their potential, whatever that may be. So if you have a high ability child they will still do very well.

Eg, we’ve been wondering about Queenswood for our DD - it has a reputation as not being as academic as other schools but they say their girls achieve in average a grade higher than they would be predicted on entry to the school (or something along these lines). So if that’s the case a high ability child should do well, all else being equal.

Of course that’s not to say that all lower performing schools are like this, some may be failing to attract high flyers precisely because the teaching is mediocre and this is reflected in the results.

It can be very hard to assess this as a prospective parent, particularly as indies unlike state schools don’t publish Progress 8 scores.

But it might be worth pressing the less academic schools on how they ensure high ability kids get enough stretch, and asking parents (on MN or at offer holders evenings) what their experience is etc.

There’s also something to be said about happy children being more likely to succeed and achieve well at school.

BarqsHasBite · 07/02/2025 15:33

As a PS, for me it would depend on quite how much less academic the other options are. As a benchmark I compare with the higher performing secondaries in St Albans (none of which are academically selective). I’d be reluctant to pay for somewhere that doesn’t at least equal their results.

DawsonsGeek · 07/02/2025 19:56

@SunnyIslandSea I feel your pain, it's so hard to know what the right thing to do is. Hopefully when you have all the results on the table, DS will be able to do taster mornings / days at the offered schools and that may change things. If he has an awesome time at one that's further away, it might make him think differently. And also, perhaps he won't engage in the extracurriculars as much in the first year as he adjusts to the new routine. But as he gets older and makes friends who are taking part, he might have a very different mindset.

That being said, I think it's important to remember that less academically selective schools will never do as well as the more selective ones as it's a different cohort. But that doesn't mean that children aren't pushed academically to achieve. If DS is academic, he will probably find himself in the top cohort at a less academically selective school and end up with the same results anyway. And it'll be a great boost to his self-esteem. If the nearer, less academic school ticks the rest of your boxes and you're confident that the quality of teaching is good, I wouldn't rule it out, especially if it's logistically much easier.

Of the two schools we applied to, one is less academic than the other. But hand on heart, I'd be happy for DD to go to either one. They are both amazing schools with so much to offer. If we are fortunate to get an offer from both (we'll know this time next week!) I still have no idea which way we'll end up going.

A week to go everyone!!

SunnyIslandSea · 07/02/2025 20:43

Thank you @DawsonsGeek and @BarqsHasBite for raising really good points.

I do agree that if a child is capable they’ll end up in the top sets so does it reallymatter if the whole cohort isn’t as capable?

I agree it’s very hard to know what the value add is without a progress score. Teaching is described as excellent in all of the schools.

I think we will be like you @DawsonsGeek still undecided if we get our remaining two options. I think it will come down to any taster day the schools provide.

And yes one week to go! The wait is now killing me!

SunnyIslandSea · 12/02/2025 16:00

How’s everyone holding up? Does anyone know if St Albans has a taster day? It says on the calendar it has an ‘offer evening’. If anyone knows what this involves it would be interesting to know. Thank you

bluegreencherry · 12/02/2025 18:07

hi @SunnyIslandSea and fellow clock-watchers! I feel that now results day is so close time has gone into slow motion. Feeling quite anxious about it all - even dreamt about it last night! I think possibly I need some better hobbies 😂

@SunnyIslandSea have you had any further thoughts on what you'll do if you have a choice? It really is v hard isn't it. Ultimately you know your DS best. Commute is v important to us but for our DS who has a tendency to coast I think being in an academic cohort where he has to work to keep up will be a good thing for him. Who knows though?

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DawsonsGeek · 12/02/2025 21:40

Hello clock-watching crew. Tomorrow is THE day for us when we get second and final outcome. DD seems particularly invested in this one and keeps asking when we’ll hear.

Good luck to you all for Friday, will be thinking of you!

relaxingparenting · 12/02/2025 21:48

DawsonsGeek · 12/02/2025 21:40

Hello clock-watching crew. Tomorrow is THE day for us when we get second and final outcome. DD seems particularly invested in this one and keeps asking when we’ll hear.

Good luck to you all for Friday, will be thinking of you!

Will we receive result tomorrow or Friday? I thought the offer would be emailed out on Friday.

Start getting really anxious again and feel the time flies so slow.

St. Albans is our top choice and we really wish we will be luck enough to be offered a place!

DawsonsGeek · 12/02/2025 21:49

relaxingparenting · 12/02/2025 21:48

Will we receive result tomorrow or Friday? I thought the offer would be emailed out on Friday.

Start getting really anxious again and feel the time flies so slow.

St. Albans is our top choice and we really wish we will be luck enough to be offered a place!

We haven’t applied for St Albans, so our timeline is different. Good luck to you and fingers crossed you get positive news on Friday.

relaxingparenting · 12/02/2025 21:52

DawsonsGeek · 12/02/2025 21:49

We haven’t applied for St Albans, so our timeline is different. Good luck to you and fingers crossed you get positive news on Friday.

Thank you. The same to you and hope you will got positive news tomorrow. Fingers crossed!

SunnyIslandSea · 12/02/2025 22:20

@DawsonsGeek Wishing you the best of luck for tomorrow!!

@relaxingparenting Best of luck for Friday!

@bluegreencherry
I’m also feeling very anxious, keep worrying we will be put on the waiting list. We are hearing back from our two favourite options this Friday. We have an offer already from our third choice which we really like but it’s another one that’s far away so probably won’t do it.

Ive been trying to persuade DS the past week to go for St Albans if offered. He says things like ‘yes I really like it’ so I say ‘great so you think you’re okay with the coach and the homework once home’. Then he says ‘oh no, I don’t want to have so little time for myself’. If we lived in St Albans it would be a definite first choice for us; or if we lived a lot nearer. We have considered uprooting but we love where we live now and have a lot of friends and family nearby.

Might help if we just don’t get St Albans as I think we will really regret turning it down! Also very nervous that we will be put on the waiting list for our other choice, as although the results aren’t as good it’s a very sought after all-rounder school.

Honestly time feels at a standstill. Just so nervous right now 😬

bluegreencherry · 12/02/2025 22:23

@DawsonsGeek eep re tomorrow for you - good luck & hope it is good news

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bluegreencherry · 12/02/2025 22:29

@SunnyIslandSea great you have a back up offer in your back pocket already. I feel the same about the waiting list worry. Although I would rather WL than rejection of course! To think those envelopes are probably all almost-done sitting in admissions offices waiting to be posted out tomorrow...

I hope you get the choices you want and that it becomes clearer once you have them. For what it's worth I don't think there's a right and wrong choice here. I know children who have had vastly different experiences at the same school. At the end of the day we can only control so much and so much of the rest of it is down to luck, who our children gel with (or don't) in their class and teaching group, what teachers come and go during their time etc. Of course I say all that but still this week is the slowest week ever and I will be sad if we end up with neither offer - which remains a real and stressful possibility...

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bluegreencherry · 12/02/2025 22:31

@relaxingparenting good luck to you too on Friday - hope the time passes quickly and the results are as you hope! @BarqsHasBite your post bigging up Habs made me laugh 😆. How nice/ stressful it would be for us to be in a position to choose!! Hope your week is flying by and that we can be discussing happy and successful results on Friday

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BarqsHasBite · 13/02/2025 08:31

Basra of luck today @DawsonsGeek!

Thanks @bluegreencherry. In fact, Verulamium Park has long suffered flooding problems, so it’s as well SAS is up the hill a bit, otherwise is might actually sink into a swamp 🤣

I’ve also been fearing Waiting List Purgatory which is ironic as we don’t even know if they’ll run a WL.

If only I didn’t have to go into work today I’d be tempted to stake out the school and rugby tackle anyone who appeared to be carrying a large volume of post…

I just hope they manage to get all the emails out in good time tomorrow morning and that they don’t keep us waiting until the pm, or send them in dribs and drabs. I got the impression the interview emails did more of less go out together but it sounds like that’s not always the case at other schools.

DawsonsGeek · 13/02/2025 09:04

We got our offer at 7.20am this morning. Now the decision making begins! Hope you also hear early in the morning tomorrow, it definitely takes the edge of a tense day. Sending positive vibes to you all and will be checking in tomorrow.

bluegreencherry · 13/02/2025 09:25

@DawsonsGeek brilliant news congrats!! And lovely to be sent it so early, very considerate of them. Good luck on decision making

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relaxingparenting · 13/02/2025 09:42

DawsonsGeek · 13/02/2025 09:04

We got our offer at 7.20am this morning. Now the decision making begins! Hope you also hear early in the morning tomorrow, it definitely takes the edge of a tense day. Sending positive vibes to you all and will be checking in tomorrow.

Congratulations.

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