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If a child asks in KS3 science class "is it possible to change sex?"...

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musicalfrog · 06/09/2024 14:18

What answer would they be given by the teacher?

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KielderWater · 07/09/2024 14:37

I’m A LOT more tolerable than most people I know.

You are not the right person to judge that.

WomensRightsRenegade · 07/09/2024 14:41

Bedheadready · 06/09/2024 23:59

He’s not. End of. If you met him you wouldn’t know he used to be a girl. The bigotry on here is wild.

The science denial on here can be wild. She didn’t change sex. When she dies - if her body is ever dug up she will be identified as a female

WomensRightsRenegade · 07/09/2024 14:48

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MerryMarys · 07/09/2024 15:04

The science denial on here can be wild. She didn’t change sex. When she dies - if her body is ever dug up she will be identified as a female

Yes. And even during her life any tests will reveal her female chromosomes and female internal organs.

She cannot be 'living as a man'

She can only pretend to be one.

Negus · 07/09/2024 15:10

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waltzingparrot · 07/09/2024 15:13

Bedheadready · 06/09/2024 16:34

Exactly. Kids are impressionable. My fear is they come across someone who is transgender getting a ‘sex’ change and they say ‘well my science teacher said you can’t change sex…’

For clarity, and to not confuse children, it should probably now be referred to as a 'Gender change'

KielderWater · 07/09/2024 15:56

waltzingparrot · 07/09/2024 15:13

For clarity, and to not confuse children, it should probably now be referred to as a 'Gender change'

But what is that? A clearer description would be ‘adhering to regressive sex stereotypes that society has ascribed to the opposite sex’

Ghilliegums · 07/09/2024 16:40

ThatsNotMyTeen · 07/09/2024 09:16

Ah only took til page 2 for your agenda to become clear.

I’m pleased your friend is now happy but she is not a fully functioning man. Being respectful of her wish to present and identify with a masculine gender identity does not mean she’s become a man.

How is having a friend who has transitioned, and being proud of that friend, "having an agenda"?

ThatsNotMyTeen · 07/09/2024 17:30

Ghilliegums · 07/09/2024 16:40

How is having a friend who has transitioned, and being proud of that friend, "having an agenda"?

What is there to be proud of? Not saying it’s something to be ashamed of, but equally not something to positively be proud of either.

The PP agenda seems clear to espouse gender ideology as fact and to deride anyone who doesn’t agree that her mate is a man as “bigots”.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 07/09/2024 17:57

FranticFrankie · 07/09/2024 13:59

Tolerant bedhead, tolerant
And the gender ideology movement doesn’t relate to gay rights at all. Look at Mr Menno (😍) and Andrew Doyle for example.
Maybe look at ‘The Offensive Tr***y’ on YouTube?? Buck Angel??
Gender ideology is inherently homophobic; regressive much?

People keep pointing out that tolerable doesn’t mean tolerant, but Bedhead clearly isn’t reading any responses. Maybe Bedhead is a chatbot. Though chatbots, I thought, were programmed to learn from responses. Clearly smarter than transactivists.

Ghilliegums · 07/09/2024 20:45

What is there to be proud of? Not saying it’s something to be ashamed of, but equally not something to positively be proud of either

But that's up to the friend, not you.

I have a trans friend. She's great. Must I now "have an agenda"?

WomensRightsRenegade · 08/09/2024 17:36

Ghilliegums · 07/09/2024 16:40

How is having a friend who has transitioned, and being proud of that friend, "having an agenda"?

What has the friend transitioned to? She’s transitioned to someone pretending to be a man. That’s all.

KielderWater · 08/09/2024 18:28

WomensRightsRenegade · 08/09/2024 17:36

What has the friend transitioned to? She’s transitioned to someone pretending to be a man. That’s all.

Not quite. Transitioned to someone who demands others pretend she is a man.

Just4thisthreadtoday · 08/09/2024 18:32

Bedheadready · 06/09/2024 15:59

one of these threads 🙄 you say yes because there are people who have and we should teach children to be tolerable and respect everyone in society

@Bedheadready

No they haven't because it's not possible.

sadmillenial · 08/09/2024 21:58

ThatsNotMyTeen · 07/09/2024 17:30

What is there to be proud of? Not saying it’s something to be ashamed of, but equally not something to positively be proud of either.

The PP agenda seems clear to espouse gender ideology as fact and to deride anyone who doesn’t agree that her mate is a man as “bigots”.

im sorry, im not engaging in the OP here but just to say that this seems very uncalled for

"pride" has many meanings and many people take it to mean the opposite of "shame" (this is well documented and has a well documented journey in modern lexicon)

It is entirely reasonable for a friend to feel proud of her friend, even if you don't agree with their choices or experience. Just because you disagree about one point shouldn't mean we lose our humanity. She is allowed to feel proud of her friend, and no shame in being their friend, and also take pride in the myriad of things within her friend outside of gender that we will not know about because it isn't our business

ThatsNotMyTeen · 08/09/2024 22:06

sadmillenial · 08/09/2024 21:58

im sorry, im not engaging in the OP here but just to say that this seems very uncalled for

"pride" has many meanings and many people take it to mean the opposite of "shame" (this is well documented and has a well documented journey in modern lexicon)

It is entirely reasonable for a friend to feel proud of her friend, even if you don't agree with their choices or experience. Just because you disagree about one point shouldn't mean we lose our humanity. She is allowed to feel proud of her friend, and no shame in being their friend, and also take pride in the myriad of things within her friend outside of gender that we will not know about because it isn't our business

Fair enough. I personally think it’s something more “neutral” rather than to be proud of per se, but I do take your point.

sadmillenial · 08/09/2024 22:28

ThatsNotMyTeen · 08/09/2024 22:06

Fair enough. I personally think it’s something more “neutral” rather than to be proud of per se, but I do take your point.

thank you - i re-read my post and actually it came across way more aggressive than i meant, so thank you for seeing the point i was making and forgiving the delivery!

MeatRaffleRita · 08/09/2024 22:35

The teacher just needs to say 'no'.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 08/09/2024 22:46

sadmillenial · 08/09/2024 22:28

thank you - i re-read my post and actually it came across way more aggressive than i meant, so thank you for seeing the point i was making and forgiving the delivery!

No problem- I think I worded what I meant quite clumsily

Petitchat · 08/09/2024 23:06

Bedheadready · 07/09/2024 08:51

You know there’s more to being a woman than having a bloody uterus. Fucking hell.

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But you can't be a man if do you have a uterus.

Petitchat · 08/09/2024 23:15

Bedheadready · 06/09/2024 23:59

He’s not. End of. If you met him you wouldn’t know he used to be a girl. The bigotry on here is wild.

Why is it bigotry to tell the truth?

KerryBlues · 08/09/2024 23:19

Bedheadready · 06/09/2024 15:59

one of these threads 🙄 you say yes because there are people who have and we should teach children to be tolerable and respect everyone in society

Because there are people who have?? Don’t talk bollocks, of course they haven’t.

KerryBlues · 08/09/2024 23:26

For the love of God, @Bedheadready
Nobody who is born female can possibly become a “fully functioning” man.
Can you actually hear yourself?’

JoanCollected · 08/09/2024 23:43

Soontobe60 · 06/09/2024 16:04

Don’;t be so daft - no one in the history of humanity has ever changed sex. As well you know.
What we should do is teach children the truth.

The irony of this is that you are probably the exact same person (people) who went to town on the 'Imane Khelif is a man' bandwagon.

So if you believe that Imane is a man, then you believe humans can change their sex.

musicalfrog · 08/09/2024 23:55

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