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If a child asks in KS3 science class "is it possible to change sex?"...

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musicalfrog · 06/09/2024 14:18

What answer would they be given by the teacher?

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KielderWater · 10/09/2024 10:56

Do you think grown men (who say they identify as women) should be allowed to strip off in front of young girls, and it would be a hate crime if those girls objected?

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:20

KielderWater · 10/09/2024 10:56

Do you think grown men (who say they identify as women) should be allowed to strip off in front of young girls, and it would be a hate crime if those girls objected?

I don't think anyone should be allowed to strip naked in front of young girls, no. Do I think a transwoman should be allowed in the changing room of a women's fashion shop, where there are cubicles, then yes.

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:25

And also, the hectoring posts that inevitably appear on this site if you say you have trans friends are completely ridiculous.

You are ridiculous and your questions are unpleasant, weird and ridiculous.

I have a transwoman friend. I like her a lot, she's great at her job, she's funny and she's really supportive of me.

So snide randos trying to insinuate that because of that I'm some sort of pedophile apologist just make me think this site is batshit.

TheCadoganArms · 10/09/2024 11:26

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:20

I don't think anyone should be allowed to strip naked in front of young girls, no. Do I think a transwoman should be allowed in the changing room of a women's fashion shop, where there are cubicles, then yes.

You don't see any safeguarding issues of allowing self ID'd intact biological men into women's changing room areas?

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:27

TheCadoganArms · 10/09/2024 11:26

You don't see any safeguarding issues of allowing self ID'd intact biological men into women's changing room areas?

Well my local h and m let women's male partners sit just in front of the cubicles looking after their small kids, so no not really.

KielderWater · 10/09/2024 11:29

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:20

I don't think anyone should be allowed to strip naked in front of young girls, no. Do I think a transwoman should be allowed in the changing room of a women's fashion shop, where there are cubicles, then yes.

You do know there are plenty of swimming pools with only communal changing areas? So do you think men who say they are women should be allowed to use those?

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:31

KielderWater · 10/09/2024 11:29

You do know there are plenty of swimming pools with only communal changing areas? So do you think men who say they are women should be allowed to use those?

You can try and drag me down your rabbit hole all you want.

I wonder if you are ever interrogated about or because of people you choose to have as friends?

I'm assuming not as it's very cosy in an echo chamber.

CrochetForLife · 10/09/2024 11:34

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:20

I don't think anyone should be allowed to strip naked in front of young girls, no. Do I think a transwoman should be allowed in the changing room of a women's fashion shop, where there are cubicles, then yes.

So you think a male should be allowed in the women and girls changing rooms.

That says a lot right there that you are fine with a predator in those spaces possibly harming women and girls, and 'getting off' on it.

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:35

CrochetForLife · 10/09/2024 11:34

So you think a male should be allowed in the women and girls changing rooms.

That says a lot right there that you are fine with a predator in those spaces possibly harming women and girls, and 'getting off' on it.

What makes you assume they are a predator?

CrochetForLife · 10/09/2024 11:36

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:31

You can try and drag me down your rabbit hole all you want.

I wonder if you are ever interrogated about or because of people you choose to have as friends?

I'm assuming not as it's very cosy in an echo chamber.

It's telling that you won't answer.

Women and girls most basic privacy, safety and dignity is not a 'rabbit hole'. But those like you who are stuck in a Meninist echo chamber will never answer any questions that make you truly confront the brainwashing and agenda that you advocate.

Because you can't answer it.

And you know it.

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:36

And if there are cubicles, what on earth are they planning to do?

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:36

CrochetForLife · 10/09/2024 11:36

It's telling that you won't answer.

Women and girls most basic privacy, safety and dignity is not a 'rabbit hole'. But those like you who are stuck in a Meninist echo chamber will never answer any questions that make you truly confront the brainwashing and agenda that you advocate.

Because you can't answer it.

And you know it.

Telling! Yes, it's annoying when you live online and people stop giving you what you want.

KerryBlues · 10/09/2024 11:37

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:31

You can try and drag me down your rabbit hole all you want.

I wonder if you are ever interrogated about or because of people you choose to have as friends?

I'm assuming not as it's very cosy in an echo chamber.

Why not just answer the question?
If you think @KielderWater lives in an echo chamber, now’s your chance to tell her something different??

CrochetForLife · 10/09/2024 11:37

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:35

What makes you assume they are a predator?

ANY male in a women and girls safe single sex space, against our wishes, IS a predator. What other reason does a male have, to enter women and girls safe single sex spaces? Go on? Tell us. Again.....

If a child asks in KS3 science class "is it possible to change sex?"...
KerryBlues · 10/09/2024 11:39

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:36

Telling! Yes, it's annoying when you live online and people stop giving you what you want.

You keep responding like this rather than actually formulating a coherent argument.
It’s so bloody obvious why.
So transparent.

CrochetForLife · 10/09/2024 11:40

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:36

And if there are cubicles, what on earth are they planning to do?

You realise that the open communal space is what protects women and gives us our privacy, safety and dignity, right?
PS when a woman has a stroller or pram with her and the cubicle door won't shut, we need to keep the door open. Any woman knows this.

Read this article for WHY are single sex intimate spaces are so very important to vulnerable women and girls:

"There is a rather wonderful poem that I love by Kim Addonizio. It is called To the Woman Crying Uncontrollably in the Next Stall. It details bad sex, bad haircuts, bad bleeding and bad heartache. Its last line is a message from one woman to another in the next toilet cubicle: “Listen I love you joy is coming”.

I have been that woman crying in the toilets. I have been that woman listening to others crying, vomiting, pouring their hearts out, passing tampons and tissues under the door. I have seen girls patch each other up emotionally and physically, find out they are being cheated on by the same guy, wash the blood from their clothes, swap make-up, take drugs, plan to run away together.

It is not that women’s loos are some kind of utopia, but they are a female space where female bodies do female things. They have never felt entirely safe, especially public loos, but safeish, I would say.

The advent of the gender-neutral toilet has stopped all that. Many places now have a “gender neutral” loo or “men’s, women’s, plus gender-neutral” – which effectively means twice as many toilets for men as for women.

Theatres have excelled themselves in alienating women. At the Lyric, in London, for instance, women are invited to walk past a row of urinals to get to a cubicle. Who actually wants this? Do men want to pee in public? Do women want to see them doing so? And if somehow “trans rights” is your answer, then, again, we must ask why it is women who must always make way, have less provision than men, when women’s needs for clean and safe loos matter.

So I am relieved that the Government has said that new buildings – restaurants, schools, hospitals – must have separate male and female toilets and not these “universal” lavatories.

Thank God. Wanting to maintain women-only spaces has been a ridiculous ongoing fight over the past few years. The tide is turning. Our privacy, dignity and safety are not to be given away by men or anyone who cannot be bothered to think about why women might need those things.

Indeed, there is a fundamental refusal from those who believe that being female is just a feeling in a man’s head to accept that there is a difference between male and female bodies. Menstruating women have different needs to men. This can be hugely difficult for teenage girls. My daughters always came home from school bursting because the school loos were horrible places at the best of times. It is ludicrous to me that we are made to feel like blushing naïfs for wanting privacy. Menopausal women may find themselves flooding and need space to sort that out. Remember when Fleabag’s sister miscarried in the restaurant loo? Well, that happens. I am sorry if this is all too much information for you, but female experience is always somehow too much, too real, too damn inconvenient for those who think what matters is simply disembodied gender.

When I was put on a mixed-sex ward after nearly dying because of an ectopic pregnancy, I was throwing up constantly because of the morphine, had a catheter and was emotionally in a right old state. The men in the beds around me probably were in a bad way too, but I just didn’t want anyone seeing me like this. Do I really need to explain myself? Does any woman?

“Gender neutral” has meant, in reality, fewer facilities for women and more for men. But that’s part of the current stupidity that calls restricting women’s access to safe, private spaces progress. In reality, there is nothing neutral about shutting down women-only spaces."

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:40

KerryBlues · 10/09/2024 11:37

Why not just answer the question?
If you think @KielderWater lives in an echo chamber, now’s your chance to tell her something different??

I've told you all I'm going to. Obviously that will never be enough for you, but at least it's given you a bit of fresh blood to get your dopamine going.

It's more telling that not one of you can even imagine being friends with a transperson.

I could come and start barking demands at you about that, but I don't care for your attitude, so don't really care. You live your life in a way that makes you happy.

TheCadoganArms · 10/09/2024 11:42

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:27

Well my local h and m let women's male partners sit just in front of the cubicles looking after their small kids, so no not really.

You know full well most store changing facilities involve a room full of cubicles (some with just a curtain, others with doors) with one main entrance in and out. Usually husbands/partners sit outside the main changing room on the shop floor if they have to wait. In my experience many changing room cubicles are just partition walls that dont have a ceiling, or full reach doors. You really can't envisage that some women (with good reason) might not be thrilled being in close proximity to biological men when in a state of undress. It's not like plenty of men have been caught taking up skirting photos, or installing concealed camera equipment or just having a good old wank to post on their fetish porn sites I guess. Safeguarding is exclusionary by its very design.

CrochetForLife · 10/09/2024 11:42

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:40

I've told you all I'm going to. Obviously that will never be enough for you, but at least it's given you a bit of fresh blood to get your dopamine going.

It's more telling that not one of you can even imagine being friends with a transperson.

I could come and start barking demands at you about that, but I don't care for your attitude, so don't really care. You live your life in a way that makes you happy.

  1. It's about MALES, not 'trans person'. A trans person isn't a third sex or sacred caste.
  2. Most of us HAVE known transwomen. It's what led us to be 'terf' (or rather merf - Male Exclusionary). This forum is filled with examples of women who were told to get to know transwomen. They did. They then became terf when they experienced the selfish narcissism and misogyny.
TheCadoganArms · 10/09/2024 11:48

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 11:35

What makes you assume they are a predator?

You can't tell who the predators are which is the whole point. It is well documented how predatory men will go to extraordinary lengths to get close to and isolate their victims. You must know this.

My sports club is used by juniors through the day. We have a policy to not let any adults into the changing rooms prior to 5.30pm because if the rish of kids being in there in a state of undress. It's a safeguarding measure that everyone buys into because nobody walks around advertising the fact that they are a sexual predator. You see how this works? Good men stay out so so bad men stand out.

KielderWater · 10/09/2024 13:21

Notice how PP has gone from ‘my harmless female friend is a transman’ to ‘men are entitled to undress in female spaces and you are a bigot if you say no to them’

TheCadoganArms · 10/09/2024 13:28

KielderWater · 10/09/2024 13:21

Notice how PP has gone from ‘my harmless female friend is a transman’ to ‘men are entitled to undress in female spaces and you are a bigot if you say no to them’

They rarely discuss the detail as firm held beliefs tend to fall apart at first contact with reality at which point we are into 'what is an acceptable number of victims in order to allow your ideological stance to continue' territory.

sashh · 11/09/2024 04:43

Ghilliegums · 10/09/2024 09:26

If there is no nuance, are you saying that accepting transwomen is the same as accepting pedophiles and criminals? That's what your post seems to say.

Have you seen the stats? Trans women make up a tiny proportion of the population but are over represented in stats for sexual violence.

SinnerBoy · 11/09/2024 06:02

KerryBlues · Yesterday 09:24

There’s no nuance here, when it’s a question of intact males in women’s spaces.

And indeed, unintact males.

KielderWater · 11/09/2024 07:41

SinnerBoy · 11/09/2024 06:02

KerryBlues · Yesterday 09:24

There’s no nuance here, when it’s a question of intact males in women’s spaces.

And indeed, unintact males.

Exactly, though hardly any men who identify as women have genital surgery (less than 5%). Even if they say they have surgery it is normally just breast implants.

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