Are more of you planning to move your DC from private to state for 6th form now?

[WomensRightsRenegade]

Apologies but just wondering this? My son is going into year 10 at a school he loves, but we are realising that even with a generous bursary, the 20pc VAT will mean it’s impossible for him to stay for 6th form.

I know it’s a transition phase anyway, but he will be very upset to leave as historically not many kids at the school have left then.

Any advice would be appreciated, thank you.

What is so rude about asking which grammar school requires NVR? Simply I never heard of it as the grammar schools exam principle is to require only the state school requires but at a high speed and with complexity. And they would never ask for NVR which is not in curiculum .

You are describing a genius that required hardly any preparation. Maybe it was many years ago and getting into superselective grammar was easier? Nowadays even brightest kids prepare to get in through many means.

Oh it wasn't asking the specific school that was rude. You can ask after all. It was more the "did you just join to boast". Sorry if my reality doesn't fit your rhetoric.

You are talking total nonsense about NVR. VR is not part of the curriculum either. Maybe you need to do a bit more research.

It was never easy to get into a super selective grammar but it was and still is possible for a very able child to get in without tutoring. That's all.

@Smoothie23 bucks grammar 11+ has NVR (or at least it did have when my son sat it.
it’s not been a feature of any of the 5 independent school entrance tests which DS2 sat though. (But is in the CATS they sat each year in prep)

@Sneezeanddessist you obviously have an extremely bright dc who will no doubt go on and do good things with a well paid job. Hopefully they won't want private education for their own kids, I suppose at least they'll be able to buy a house in a super selective grammar area.

What on earth are you talking about? My DC can privately educate their own DC if they decide to. I wouldn't be influencing them either way.

I see!

???

But that was when CEM was used. I heard that they withdrew from CEM and do now GL everywhere to grammar.

@Sneezeanddessist

It was more the "did you just join to boast". Sorry if my reality doesn't fit your rhetoric.

It was because we were asking you few times what point actually you making... That all kids are like your son? That it is easy to get to grammar and preparation are not needed?
Surely one child is hardly an argument in the broader conversation

Why are you not understanding basic facts? I was making the point that not all children are hothoused by parents for grammars. I also evidenced it with my own personal experience, which you seem to have missed the point of and instead chose to interpret as boasting. And once again, there were others in his cohort just as bright and just as untutored. Are we done now?

I think people don't believe you. But that's the nature of an anonymous forum, anyone can say whatever they like about themselves

How do you know who believes whom on an anonymous forum? You can only speak for yourself, of course. I'm not saying everyone is capable of doing it without tutoring but some clearly are. I'm guessing yours aren't.

I'm guessing yours aren't.

Or maybe people don’t live in grammar school areas, or are fundamentally opposed to selective state education, or their children are more than capable of performing well at a comprehensive school.

I wouldn't know as we don't live in a grammar area thankfully. I personally think they are even more divisive than private education, all the desperate striving to keep your kids away from the less able. But it's all water under the bridge for me as I'm done with school aged kids.

Wow this is so inaccurate you really need to do your research properly.

this is what is so mad about the 11+ - half of it isn’t taught at state schools at all. Not VR, NVR, any reasoning and sometimes not some of the Maths which can be Y6 content not yet covered.

Private schools of course teach this. State schools aren’t allowed to as it is useless for those not taking the 11+. So state school kids have to either self learn via books or get a tutor. Outside of school, in their free time.

Good job their school day is so short then.

Nice. Jesus wept.

I mean, it's 100% true, so spending another 2 hours a day on tutoring or books takes them up to an average day for a private school pupil.

Giving yourself as an example is a rather subjective proof. Especially that your DS is now adult and as I gather from the conversation he has his own kids now. The competition was different then and exam requirements different.

Picking on one sentence out of context is bad form. Still, if you like an easy win, go ahead. 🙄

As you well know if you bother to read the whole post, it’s about what is taught at state in lessons vs what is taught at private. And goes to the discussion about spoon feeding private school kids.

You are right. Hence I was wondering how her son got in with hardly any preparations but then she mentioned that her son is an adult now ans has children so, we are talking about completely different times and different school requirements

Evidence is evidence. I think you may need to work on your own comprehension skills. Nowhere did I say my DS has DC! He has only recently left school!

Not so much has changed in 10 years here. My eldest is at uni and it’s pretty much the same to get into grammar round here. Test not really changed, state vs private coaching not changed.

But there was a talk above about his children and decision re private....-?

It changed in exams in a sense that CEM was withdrawn and there are now GL tests. Also, new OFSTED rules were introduced. Many Grammars were downgraded, some shut down with scandal and so on...

Personally, I am not against grammar school but only if the giv really give them the same amount per pupil as for comprehensive and to keep the Grammar status the school has to have "oustanding "in teaching and pastoral care.