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How oversubscribed are your local schools? Will they be able to take on students who are currently privately-educated?

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Macaroons · 13/06/2024 18:17

One of the headline Starmer kept talking about is charging VAT for private schools. This would make private school fees unaffordable for many who are not mega-rich, pushing more students back to the state education system. Would the state schools be able to take in the extra students? Many schools are already over-subscribed, are there enough schools, classrooms and teachers to take in the extra students? My fear is that the extra VAT they get is not going to be enough to provide education for more students under the state system, as well as the additional 6500 teachers they claim they can provide.

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Astronaut79 · 22/06/2024 12:56

AbsintheAndChips · 19/06/2024 20:29

Faith schools are a blight on society. They definitely perpetuate inequality and should not be allowed. Would be great if Labour could turn their attention that way.

How? I've spent my entire life in faith schools, in one way or another. My kids don't go to one. In fact, my kids are in the worst school in the area. Not because I'm trying to make a point, but because that was where they wanted to go and because they're happy and I know that teachers, generally, try their best.

Maybe I've just been unlucky, but the faith schools I've been in haven't been any better than their non faith rivals. And increasingly, they take pretty much anyone who agrees to uphold school values, regardless of religious background. Most of the kids I've ever taught tend to be incredibly resentful of anything to do with religion, as I was... when I attended faith schools as a child.

Laserwho · 22/06/2024 14:02

Macaroons · 21/06/2024 09:32

It is very likely that Labour is going to win this election, so I doubt this article is going to sway how people are going to vote, but what I worry is whether they have considered the knock-on impact properly.

Making private education more expensive means it will be less affordable/ unaffordable for those who are only just managing right now, and push more students to the state schools. This may not be an issue for some areas but it would be an issue for some areas. So the government is likely to have to educate more students, which is around 7k per student per year. This would offset the extra tax they hope to raise.

I just felt there are more pressing issues for the next government to solve, eg crime, NHS, and changing legislation to charge private schools VAT may not be the best thing to do.

It definitely won't sway my vote which will be labour. It will change our lives for the better so the private school issue won't make a difference to us, my kids are at an amazing state school. Yes I'm thinking about myself just as people who vote conservative are just thinking about themselves. There are places in state schools even if the majority moved their kids which will never happen.

TheChipmunkSong · 22/06/2024 15:09

Astronaut79 · 22/06/2024 12:56

How? I've spent my entire life in faith schools, in one way or another. My kids don't go to one. In fact, my kids are in the worst school in the area. Not because I'm trying to make a point, but because that was where they wanted to go and because they're happy and I know that teachers, generally, try their best.

Maybe I've just been unlucky, but the faith schools I've been in haven't been any better than their non faith rivals. And increasingly, they take pretty much anyone who agrees to uphold school values, regardless of religious background. Most of the kids I've ever taught tend to be incredibly resentful of anything to do with religion, as I was... when I attended faith schools as a child.

You are talking about CoE schools. Catholic take practicing catholics. And yes, overall they have much better results that comprehensives

TheMoth · 23/06/2024 13:50

TheChipmunkSong · 22/06/2024 15:09

You are talking about CoE schools. Catholic take practicing catholics. And yes, overall they have much better results that comprehensives

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Nope. Catholic schools my entire life. The ones I've worked in generally take anyone, as there aren't enough catholics to fill the places. And we definitely don't get better results than other schools.

TheChipmunkSong · 23/06/2024 15:41

TheMoth · 23/06/2024 13:50

Nope. Catholic schools my entire life. The ones I've worked in generally take anyone, as there aren't enough catholics to fill the places. And we definitely don't get better results than other schools.

Not sure where you live but even on average Catholic perform much better than comprehensive schools or CoE. ( See the image) How is it possible that you don't know that if you apprently worked and attended them?

In most places Catholic schools require baptism certificate and certificate of Catholic Practice from the Priest

How oversubscribed are your local schools? Will they be able to take on students who are currently privately-educated?
TheChipmunkSong · 23/06/2024 15:49

And this is only average on the picture. Here where I am only grammar schools have better results. All Catholic schools are Outstanding here ( visited within last 2 years) , the 5+ on GCSE gets 78-82 percent of kids( depending on which particular Catholic school), 7+ gets 44-48 percent.

The waiting list to get to those schools is long, very long. And the schools are oversubscribed hoping to go back to PAN numbers

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