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Can someone help me with English Lang please?

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 09:01

I'm trying hard to help my son. I've looked at his Mock Language paper. I'm looking at an 8 point question and he's got 1 mark out of 8.
The feedback is this:

Focus on behaviour
Write Less just PEA and compare

I said to my son do you understand her feedback and he said no he doesn't get it.
He doesn't feel he can talk to his teacher either.
How can I help my son with not long to go?
I've looked up PEA and can only see something about PEE? Is that the same?

I'd really appreciate some advice please 🙏

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Itsallovernow23 · 09/05/2023 21:09

Aqa language paper 2 the 8 marker could be comparing question? The question is summarise either the differences or similarities between two texts about a give topic?
If so do SQI - make a summary statement, support with a quotation and make an inference for text A and theb connective and do thr same for text b.
Eg. The writer in Text a shows how the elephants were treated badly and described them as 'in a miserable condition' this suggests that the owners did not care for their welfare and were only interested in making profit (whatever you can infer from text as a whole). Whereas/similarly the write in text a shows how the elephants were..... "........" which suggests....
So long as he can make an inference then this structure shoild get him 6 marks

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:11

Does anyone know where I can find the mark scheme for that question?
I don't have the full paper so don't know what year it was etc

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MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:12

November 19

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:12

@MrsHamlet yes of course you get a sticker. <passes imaginary sticker>

@Poppy802 you need to check that mark scheme to see exactly what they class at the right answers. Here is the one, I think you want page 12

https://filestore.aqa.org.uk/sample-papers-and-mark-schemes/2019/november/AQA-87002-W-MS-NOV19.PDF

https://filestore.aqa.org.uk/sample-papers-and-mark-schemes/2019/november/AQA-87002-W-MS-NOV19.PDF

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:13

Thanks @PianoLeGrande
I shall wear it with pride.
I liked elephants but Hawaii was my favourite.

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:14

@Poppy802 mine didn't do AQA English lang, I just googled AQA past paper elephants mark scheme. It seems easy for us as a lot of us have been through this with our own children and are now trying to help everyone else too.

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:14

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:12

@MrsHamlet yes of course you get a sticker. <passes imaginary sticker>

@Poppy802 you need to check that mark scheme to see exactly what they class at the right answers. Here is the one, I think you want page 12

https://filestore.aqa.org.uk/sample-papers-and-mark-schemes/2019/november/AQA-87002-W-MS-NOV19.PDF

Thanks so much you superstar!!

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MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:15

The questions and mark schemes on both papers are always the same, which helps

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:15

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:14

@Poppy802 mine didn't do AQA English lang, I just googled AQA past paper elephants mark scheme. It seems easy for us as a lot of us have been through this with our own children and are now trying to help everyone else too.

Thank you. Everyone's been so helpful.

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PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:19

This is the very best of MN @Poppy802 we are genuinely trying to help. As a parent I feel that the mark schemes really spell it out which then means you can help your children with it too. I had to do the same thing with Ds2.

clary · 09/05/2023 21:24

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:03

Do I get a smiley face sticker for recognising the paper? 🤣

😀😀😀

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:25

clary · 09/05/2023 21:24

😀😀😀

I take all the praise I can get - even if I have to ask for it.
I might start competing with my y11 for the class trophy. 🤣

clary · 09/05/2023 21:28

I was genuinely impressed that you spotted the paper @MrsHamlet tho if you mark it I’m guessing you saw a few iterations if the answers!

Love this helpful aspect of MN. Op best of luck to your ds.

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:28

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:19

This is the very best of MN @Poppy802 we are genuinely trying to help. As a parent I feel that the mark schemes really spell it out which then means you can help your children with it too. I had to do the same thing with Ds2.

That's so kind. My sons capable enough but has had a hard time and has been unable to focus properly but feel like we still have time to turn things around!

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MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:29

@clary I normally do about 300 in November and upwards of 500 in the summer. There are months of the year when I dream about those things 🤣

3 weeks of dreamless sleep to go...

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:29

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:25

I take all the praise I can get - even if I have to ask for it.
I might start competing with my y11 for the class trophy. 🤣

You deserve a medal 🏅😍😍

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:30

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:29

@clary I normally do about 300 in November and upwards of 500 in the summer. There are months of the year when I dream about those things 🤣

3 weeks of dreamless sleep to go...

You mark that many? Wow.

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MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:30

@Poppy802 I'll take a medal too!!!

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:31

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:30

You mark that many? Wow.

Yep. Last summer I did way more than 500. That's a lot of reading about campsites, and whether holidays have to be far away and expensive.

smooththecat · 09/05/2023 21:34

Having taught A levels, the number of students who do not understanding what a point is, how to come up with one, what analysis is, what evidence is, or how to structure a paragraph by the end of the course is pretty amazing. No, it’s not down to poor teaching, it’s similar across essay-based courses. I don’t know what it’s about, best guess is lack of reading.

Some good advice on here OP. Encourage reading, it’s a ‘natural’ way to get to grips with this (according to me).

Pieceofpurplesky · 09/05/2023 21:36

I mark this paper. If it is Q2 it is the question "use evidence from both sources to write a summary of ..."

The 8 mark question is a summary and not a language analysis. PEA doesn't tend to work and when marking I can see how students have been trained incorrectly.

I would look at SQUID
Statement sentence
Quote
Inference
Difference

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:37

@MrsHamlet firstly, thank you for your marking, it isn't well paid and I respect you for trawling through all those papers. Iit was thanks to an incredible English teacher and her specifics for Ds2 on how to improve and me doing some serious leg work at home we got him from scraping a 5 in his November mock to an 8 at GCSE. Not bad for a boy who absolutely hated English lang and lit but applied himself, did loads of extra work because he wasn't going to let it beat him.

As a side note I love Hamlet and saw Sir Ken Branagh perform at the RSC. Breathtaking. My degree is English lit and everyone in this house is a maths head. Noooooo. Hence why I come on these threads, no one talks about English lit in this house. Luckily both DCs read.

Random102 · 09/05/2023 21:38

Following for info as there is some really helpful posts here!

I’m helping one of my students with AQA English this year and as a maths teacher I’m completely out of my comfort zone so I need all the help I can get!

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:38

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:31

Yep. Last summer I did way more than 500. That's a lot of reading about campsites, and whether holidays have to be far away and expensive.

Well done you!!

What's in place to make sure they're being marked correctly? Not saying you but how do we know there's not someone marking them whilst drinking a bottle of wine at the same time! 🙈🙈

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:39

Pieceofpurplesky · 09/05/2023 21:36

I mark this paper. If it is Q2 it is the question "use evidence from both sources to write a summary of ..."

The 8 mark question is a summary and not a language analysis. PEA doesn't tend to work and when marking I can see how students have been trained incorrectly.

I would look at SQUID
Statement sentence
Quote
Inference
Difference

That's interesting as his only feedback was use PEA?

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