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Headteacher meeting, awaiting diagnosis

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WitsHaveEnded · 14/09/2022 14:57

I'll try and keep this as short as possible without missing anything.

DD 13, just gone into year 9. Horrendous year last year, constantly late to school, detentions, on report for 3/4 of the year, truanting lessons, not completing work, but generally well behaved (their words). Countless phone calls from the school during the day, meetings with the year head and deputy head. She is not even 2 weeks into year 9, has already been put in Inclusion, and they've called me 9 times. Yesterday they said that "there is a waiting list of girls wanting to get into this school and she clearly doesn't want to be here", and today I've been called while at work to be asked to come in Friday AM to meet with the headteacher. Meaning an unplanned day off work for me.

She has nothing. All devices have been taken off her, she is grounded. Absolutely nothing gets through to her. I am out of words and ways to explain how her behaviour is affecting her and me. I've talked calmly, screamed, shouted, cried. She has been in counselling, currently been waiting since January for ADHD assessment, school are aware of both things, yet I feel like they are trying to "off roll" her out of there without them ever putting any sort of behavioral plan in place or proactively trying to manage her behaviour in school. Everything just results in detention, or inclusion, which they've admitted don't work, or calling me for what seems like just a chance to complain about her being late to lessons. Other than me quitting work and volunteering to chaperone her to each lesson how do I manage that?

I've been told a behavioural plan can only be done with a diagnosis. Is this true? I was under the impression it wasn't needed. While in general I agree she is a nightmare, I am at a loss right now as to what more I should be doing than what I already am.

What questions should I be asking when I meet with the Head? I don't want to be steamrolled the minute I sit down.

Any advice for a very worn down Mum would be much appreciated 😪

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WitsHaveEnded · 17/09/2022 20:37

@cansu thank you for your incredibly patronising message. I assure you nothing is being glossed over and I'm being very honest with myself. This is a highly stressful time and I can little afford to get false advise based on half truths.

I have kept every report card she has ever been on, have 2 years worth of classcharts reports screenshot weekly and each and every single comment is "took a while to start work", "didn't finish work" "late to class" "truanting" - and by truanting they mean slowly wandering the hall to her next lesson, late, and not hiding in the bathroom.

They have admitted she is respectful to teachers and otherwise well behaved.

And so I am truly failing to understand how many of that warrants a managed move. There is a girl in her class who truants in bathrooms, has been caught with vapes in school, is disruptive and has twice attacked two pupils with police involvement, one being my daughter. No manage move mentioned for her. So why my daughter?

They have flat out said to me they don't have the resources to help her more during the day. That she would need 1:1 SEN support with a diagnosis for that.

Anyway, I am slowly writing a meeting follow up email to the headteacher and CC'ing the deputy and year head in. I'll ask what support plans are in place for the next 4 weeks etc. I feel they're just planning on sitting back and waiting for her to fail.

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itsgettingweird · 17/09/2022 21:08

Lightuptheroom · 16/09/2022 17:06

They can't do a managed move without your consent, regardless of whether they've taken one from the other school...

Please make sure you follow up the meeting with an email so that you establish a paper trail.

This.

Make sure you email everything.

Highlight how an hour detention for 6 minutes late isn't changing anything so what are they doing to support her getting from a to b? You could even suggest the buddy system.

Make sure you have it in black and white that punishments aren't not working and a managed move is for children to have the chance for a fresh start but if this is adhd the issues will follow your dd and it's just them trying to move the problem on.

I'm not against managed moves - mh ds had one from a school that didn't get asd and he wasn't even in trouble. They just didn't get (or accept) his anxiety even though he was under camhs for it.

But we moved to a much better school as I fought the la at every turn and refused to send him somewhere that wouldn't support him and without a plan if what that support would look like.

itsgettingweird · 17/09/2022 21:11

WitsHaveEnded · 17/09/2022 20:37

@cansu thank you for your incredibly patronising message. I assure you nothing is being glossed over and I'm being very honest with myself. This is a highly stressful time and I can little afford to get false advise based on half truths.

I have kept every report card she has ever been on, have 2 years worth of classcharts reports screenshot weekly and each and every single comment is "took a while to start work", "didn't finish work" "late to class" "truanting" - and by truanting they mean slowly wandering the hall to her next lesson, late, and not hiding in the bathroom.

They have admitted she is respectful to teachers and otherwise well behaved.

And so I am truly failing to understand how many of that warrants a managed move. There is a girl in her class who truants in bathrooms, has been caught with vapes in school, is disruptive and has twice attacked two pupils with police involvement, one being my daughter. No manage move mentioned for her. So why my daughter?

They have flat out said to me they don't have the resources to help her more during the day. That she would need 1:1 SEN support with a diagnosis for that.

Anyway, I am slowly writing a meeting follow up email to the headteacher and CC'ing the deputy and year head in. I'll ask what support plans are in place for the next 4 weeks etc. I feel they're just planning on sitting back and waiting for her to fail.

Do you have it in writing they have said they don't have the staff to support her? That's evidence right there for getting an ehcp.

And with regards the managed move for dd Vs the other girl.

Kids with send cost to support. Those without don't as punishments often work and are free.

Sad but true fact and I've seen it first hand many a time.

Lightuptheroom · 17/09/2022 21:18

@WitsHaveEnded they will be looking at suspensions and permanent exclusion for the other girl, there is no way they should be grouping your daughter in that sort of category.

Get some back up from the local authority inclusion team, there's no such thing as exhausting their resources and if that's what they think they should be putting in an EHCNA (education, health, care needs assessment)
No, they can't put her on a 1:1 without funding, but they can certainly give her a key adult to touch base with if shes running late, give her a coloured card that allows her to leave 5 minutes early from one lesson to another, all sorts of things. Ask for a meeting with the Senco.

Leonarar · 18/09/2022 13:09

They have flat out said to me they don't have the resources to help her more during the day. That she would need 1:1 SEN support with a diagnosis for that.

This goes against the SEN Code of Practice and is absolute nonsense. I am furious on your behalf!

TizerorFizz · 18/09/2022 15:28

Also, another school won’t fund 1:1 either. Plus any child that really needs 1:1 should be assessed for SEND. It’s clearly needed.

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