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GCSE 2022 Results - the moment of reckoning!

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Rollergirl11 · 24/08/2022 19:48

Hello everyone, here is a shiny new thread ready for DC’s results day tomorrow and a much needed hand hold for us nervous parents. 🥴🤪

Tomorrow is the culmination of an incredibly turbulent 2 year journey that our young people have had to navigate. Fraught with ups and downs. They have done us all proud!!

Here is a link to the previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/secondary/4566030-current-year-11-2-more-weeks-of-exams?page=37&reply=119483572

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Jaxx · 14/09/2022 09:21

We were given the fees with the exam results (well for the exam boards the school uses).

AQA £39
Edexcel £42.50
OCR £54.25 (they also charged for returnjng scripts).

HTH.

MerryMarigold · 14/09/2022 15:33

Thanks Jaxx. It's Edexcel. I did look it up and saw they've added quite a bit on (assume that's an admin fee by the school). They are charging 65.00 whatever board. It's a state school!

daffodilandtulip · 28/09/2022 12:33

Ours are charging £127 per paper. They didn't say this when we filled the form in and DD is now upset that we've missed the deadline to do it ourselves.

mushroom3 · 28/09/2022 13:38

you have until Thursday to request a review

MerryMarigold · 28/09/2022 13:47

Our review went in on a Tuesday. On the Wed morning at 8:54am I got a reply from the school (so must have been sent earlier to school). I didn't request priority!!

DFOD · 28/09/2022 15:12

MerryMarigold · 28/09/2022 13:47

Our review went in on a Tuesday. On the Wed morning at 8:54am I got a reply from the school (so must have been sent earlier to school). I didn't request priority!!

Yes our Edexcel was back in the same day … still waiting for AQA physics

MyOtherProfile · 28/09/2022 16:01

daffodilandtulip · 28/09/2022 12:33

Ours are charging £127 per paper. They didn't say this when we filled the form in and DD is now upset that we've missed the deadline to do it ourselves.

Is that the school charging that? How do they justify that?

MerryMarigold · 28/09/2022 17:22

@DFOD , yes it was Edexcel

Lemoncurd · 28/09/2022 17:32

Waiting on 3* AQA paper reviews, requested nearly 2 weeks ago. Anyone know if these are still taking a while?

daffodilandtulip · 28/09/2022 17:39

Thanks @mushroom3 I don't particularly think it's worth it...it's two 8s that are both 1 mark off a 9. But she's always got 99% at least in all tests so she's convinced they've marked them wrong.

@MyOtherProfile I know! They had us fill the form in on the day but cost wasn't mentioned, and they only phoned me yesterday to say this. DD was thinking it had already been submitted.

mushroom3 · 28/09/2022 18:03

What I would suggest @daffodilandtulip is that you look at the two subjects and see if one paper was much lower than the other. This makes it more likely that an error was made. Has the school looked at the scripts? If so then they would know if a review was worth it. In our case with English Language my DS scrapped a 7 on one paper and had a solid 9 on the other. On review of the grade 7 paper it went up 12 marks. Ask them also for the question/mark breakdown and if they have spotted anything odd. More subjective essay based subjects are more likely to be changed than sciences or Maths. AQA had issues with recruiting markers for English Lit and Language. If you have a big gap between paper marks and your DD thinks she did the same on all papers it's worth a gamble as if it goes up you get your money back. Are you sure the cost isn't for all the papers for each subject? That would make more sense. I would suggest you call the board tomorrow to find out if you could deal with them directly for the reviews and explain why, £127 per paper is exploiting families and so unfair on students. Also, have you any way of eg emailing the Chair of Governors if it is the case that they are charging this much per paper.

MrsHamlet · 28/09/2022 18:27

Review requests have to go through the centre so calling the board won't help. The boards publish the fees on their websites - it's definitely not £127!

MyOtherProfile · 28/09/2022 20:01

@daffodilandtulip that's really shocking. We did one paper and it would have cost £42 but we didn't pay in the end because his grade went up. The school had a price list with the different costs for different exam boards but they didn't make anything out of it.

Learneratlife · 30/09/2022 10:56

Any feedback on how long AQA GCSE English Language mark reviews are taking to come backs? We've been waiting for a week. Thank you.

DFOD · 30/09/2022 17:34

Lemoncurd · 28/09/2022 17:32

Waiting on 3* AQA paper reviews, requested nearly 2 weeks ago. Anyone know if these are still taking a while?

I have been waiting 10 days now for an AQA physics paper to come back. It seems they as a board are under resourced and possibly overwhelmed - if they have loads of issues with English?

Lemoncurd · 30/09/2022 20:37

@DFOD results came back yesterday - 13 days, physics one of them, it was 1 mark below grade boundary but went down 3 marks! Other paper that was 1 mark away also lost a mark.
The one that was 2 marks away and I'd been reluctant to review went up a grade!

DFOD · 30/09/2022 20:54

Lemoncurd · 30/09/2022 20:37

@DFOD results came back yesterday - 13 days, physics one of them, it was 1 mark below grade boundary but went down 3 marks! Other paper that was 1 mark away also lost a mark.
The one that was 2 marks away and I'd been reluctant to review went up a grade!

Wow it’s like a game of roulette!

Well done with getting a grade increase.

Maybe I will hear then early next week - same here - 1 mark (0.5%) off the boundary - but thinking that STEM subjects are less subjective for marking so not holding my breath

MerryMarigold · 30/09/2022 21:37

@Lemoncurd , the letter I was sent on by the school didn't have any marks. It just said the 'provisional' mark was the same as the one awarded. He was 1 mark off originally but I don't know if it went down. It was Edexcel History. Is that the usual terminology?

MerryMarigold · 30/09/2022 21:38

Did you get all the papers reviewed or just choose a particular paper?

Lemoncurd · 30/09/2022 21:42

MerryMarigold · 30/09/2022 21:37

@Lemoncurd , the letter I was sent on by the school didn't have any marks. It just said the 'provisional' mark was the same as the one awarded. He was 1 mark off originally but I don't know if it went down. It was Edexcel History. Is that the usual terminology?

I didn't see anything but thought child said they got the full papers back showing exactly how they had been marked.

MerryMarigold · 30/09/2022 22:02

Oh really. 🤔 I did request the paper but don't think they showed them to my child. I'll ask for it. It was only one paper of 3 but it was surprisingly low so hoped would go up slightly.

WombatChocolate · 01/10/2022 08:43

Lemon curd, I’m not quite clear from what you say about if your child’s grade increased.

You mention an increase in grade on one paper, but there is no grade for an individual paper…just a grade based on the totals of all the papers. If one paper rose but others dropped, did the total mark change or change enough to get a grade increase, or was it still within the original grade?

Generally people put in for one paper at a time. They go for the one with most scope or liklihood to increase. The reason is that as above, papers can move in different directions. And negate the benefit of one paper rising, or if all dropping , can result in a grade drop too.

Lots of people who are very close to a grade boundary will work through the 3 papers one by one. To do this, especially if you want scripts first, you need to get going early in order to get all requests in before the deadline..which has now passed.

I’ve known people who would have gone up a grade if they just got one paper back, but because they got 2 and one dropped, they were in the same position. Of course, if they had just gone for one, it might well have been the one that dropped. Although they would have remained within the same grade, that might have put them off going for the 2nd one, so they might never have known that paper would increase.

There’s definitely an element here of some parents know the system better and some schools are better at making things clear about how it all works. Some schools will tell students the results for each paper and the grade boundaries. In other places, students know they can ask for the breakdown of papers and boundaries, but it’s up to them whether they do or not, or are proactive to look at the websites for breakdowns. In other places, schools tell students pretty much nothing behind their grade and total mark.

And then some student bodies have families that will be willing to spend several hundred pounds getting papers reviewed. The norm will be to get anything that is anomalous or close to a boundary reviewed. The cost isn’t a big deal for these families and with an understanding that if they are close to the top of a grade, dropping so much that the grade goes down, means they are willing to spend and take the small risk. In these schools, the final results can be quite significantly higher than the provisional ones, because so many have gone for reviews…even when the majority of reviews don’t see a change.

But in other schools, tiny numbers have a review. Knowledge of the system might be low amongst the parent body, or ability to risk £40 per paper just not possible, or quite often people are simply satisfied with the grade that’s been achieved and take the attitude that the grade is a pass and good enough to move into the next stage, so it doesn’t matter if it’s a 5/6 or a 7/8 type thing. It’s a different to getting the highest possible grade and to whether that matters.

Ultimately though, knowledge and availability of cash means the more affluent get more reviews and see more grade changes and the inequalities that already exist in educational outcomes become greater. The system might have been changed to Review rather than Remark to try to discourage those with cash from being able to benefit from a 2nd examiner who might be a bit more generous, because now if the 2nd examiner thinks the original banding was right for individual questions, there won’t be any change, but still there is significant disparity simply in which background students come from who put in for remarks. It’s wrong.

And I don’t care how much people say that a small proportion of reviews result in mark or grade changes. No figures are actually produced to show exact numbers of reviews that lead to a mark change or grade change. I can see in my own school every year there are exams, and where lots do put in for reviews, that whilst some never change, sizeable proportions do change, and every year at least one subject at GCSE or A Level ends up with large numbers being changed due to rogue marking. It hugely reduces my confidence in the system. And that’s so discouraging given it’s the system we have and have to work within and rely on and kids rely on for grades to open doors to their futures. Comes down to insufficient resources and funding as usual.

Mykittensaremyfriends · 01/10/2022 11:21

@WombatChocolate figures are produced. Another poster kindly provided the link:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/851641/ReviewssofMarkinggandModerationnforGCSEEandGCEEsummer20199series.xlsx

WombatChocolate · 01/10/2022 11:57

Thanks for that. Useful.

At it’s peak, over 30% of reviewed/remarked GCSEs went up in 2017. Last figures were around 20%. It’s a lot. Of course those tables show the upgrades as a % of total entries too, which are much smaller, because most people aren’t having a review. However, one wonders what % overall would rise a grade if all papers were reviewed. You’d hope that most of the obviously anomalous papers get sent for review, but as I said before, numerous reasons mean many families don’t put in for a review. Those figures include centres where all or large proportions of grades in a particular subject were adjusted due to rogue markers. We don’t know how many centres never realise certain questions or papers were marked incorrectly across large proportions of their cohort, because they simply didn’t have any or enough reviews done to highlight the liklihood, which might then lead to further review requests.

All it leads me to conclude is that there are significant weaknesses in the marking system and that it’s often worth having a review. Some Posters will suggest tiny fractions go up in a review and emphasise grades going down. However, the figures suggest to me that parents on MN who are wondering about their kids’ grades should seriously consider reviews. As has been said, it’s always worth getting the breakdown on marks between papers and knowing grade boundaries and not just randomly looking at reviews. But if you’ve got any anomalous marking or are very close to an upper grade boundary, and if you can afford to risk £40 or whatever the cost is, it’s probably worth it; the number of grades which drop is very small - those tables show that, and there’s a decent chance the grade will rise.

Ive known families where there is a big anomaly between papers and they are close to the upper boundary but after lots of thinking about it don’t go for the remark due to fear of the grade dropping. In the end of course it’s their choice. However, many people are overly cautious. When there’s a bug anomaly between papers that was unexpected and especially if the marks are already close to the next boundary, the risk of going down a grade is really usually worth taking. It’s one of those examples of where people find it hard to accurately assess risk - again it’s partly due to a lack of information about how many grades actually go down. Exam boards don’t want loads of people putting in for review. It creates more work, can throw their figures out from proportions they are meant to give of each grade, and highlights errors in the whole process. It’s right that grades can go down as well as up, but the messsge is often rather unbalanced and people get the sense that there’s a strong risk if grades dropping, when actually, if papers are anomalous and hire close to the next boundary, the risk isn’t high at at all.

Lemoncurd · 01/10/2022 13:42

@WombatChocolate apologies for not being clearer.

The process we went through was:
On results day child received results with grades, marks and marks for each component/paper.

Check exam board websites and noticed that two subjects were 1 mark below grade boundary. One of those had a large disparity between the two papers, child thought they had done better in the one with lower marks.
One subject was 2 marks below grade boundary, this subject only had one paper as it also had a project. Project marked much higher than exam.

School requested all marked papers for the three subjects and shared them with our child. We read through them and thought we could see places where they might have been a bit stingy on the marks. Exams office also consulted with child's subject teachers who also went through the papers and advised.

We decided to ask for reviews on one paper for each subject- which paper seemed obvious based on the mark distribution and teacher advice.

Child then received notification of their review results and was sent the copies of the reviewed papers. Grade for one subject went up (the one that was 2 marks below the boundary), for the other two the grades remained the same, but the marks for the reviewed papers went down.