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Secondary school place :KENT vs BUCKS

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Doctormum2021 · 06/02/2022 10:06

Hello everyone,
I am plannning to move to SE of England , looking at Kent vs Bucks area. I am looking for a town/city with excellent grammar schools as I have children who will be preparing for 11+. I also want a posh , friendly nice area. Which places would you suggest please ? We currently live in York.
I look forward to helpful responses.
Thank you

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BendingSpoons · 06/02/2022 10:10

How old are your children? I think some of the Bucks grammars require you to have lived in the area for a while before.

peppaminttea · 06/02/2022 11:08

In Kent, I would look at Canterbury, Tonbridge and Tunbridge Wells. These areas seem to fit your criteria best. Be aware though that if your children don't pass the Kent Test the choice of schools may not be to your liking.

peppaminttea · 06/02/2022 11:10

You could look at Rochester too but that is Medway/ the Medway test rather than Kent Test.

Doctormum2021 · 06/02/2022 11:49

Thank you

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Doctormum2021 · 06/02/2022 11:50

6, 9 and 11( aiming for 13+ for the eldest has she had missed 11+ for Kent)

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Zodlebud · 06/02/2022 13:06

The 13+ is really not a “thing” in Bucks and places rarely come up. I would say you have missed the boat for your eldest.

www.buckscc.gov.uk/services/education/school-admissions/changing-school-in-year/moving-to-grammar-school/

Some of the secondary moderns in the area are also not great so if you can’t afford private then the best two places to live that meet your criteria are Amersham or Marlow as the grammar alternatives are good. You may also struggle to get a place at these good secondary moderns though.

Also be aware that many Bucks grammar schools also have a requirement that you live at the property from which you are applying for a long period of time prior to applying - sometimes a year or more.

Doctormum2021 · 06/02/2022 14:38

Thank you for the detailed explanation. Any information about Kent area ?

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peppaminttea · 06/02/2022 15:05

13 + isn't really a thing anymore in Kent either (with the exception of Cranbrook - I don't know of any others). Having looked at a few grammars, they are likely to reject in Year applications if there are no spaces (likely) - if they do have spaces they seem to set their own tests or use CAT tests. You don't need to wait 7 until year 9 though, you can apply/test once a year (according to many schools websites).

peppaminttea · 06/02/2022 15:11

It looks like similar applies to the Medway area of Kent too.
www.medway.gov.uk/info/200137/schools_and_learning/362/apply_to_move_school/1

Thethingswedoforlove · 06/02/2022 15:13

Sevenoaks is soo friendly (surprised me a lot), access to loads of grammars and also quite posh!

SFisnotsimple · 06/02/2022 15:33

Sevenoaks or Tonbridge for the best schools. Do you want state grammar or private? Boys or girls?
Judd, TGS (although head is retiring and they are in that Sunday Times list today of schools who gamed the TAGs system so may not be taken as seriously by unis now re predicted grades), Sevenoaks and Tonbridge (also on that list).
Villages in the surrounds are nice as is Sevenoaks itself.

Doctormum2021 · 06/02/2022 15:44

Thank you

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Doctormum2021 · 06/02/2022 15:45

There are no grammar schools in Sevenoaks itself . Which grammar schools would be in the catchment area of sevenoaks? I would appreciate any info you got . Thank you

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Doctormum2021 · 06/02/2022 15:48

I have 2 girls and 1boy. Considering both grammar and private (if the children get a bursary ). So my preference would be to stay on a catchment area of the good grammar schools, just in case we don't get the bursary for private school. Thank you

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Panicmode1 · 06/02/2022 15:53

The Weald of Kent (girls grammar) has an annexe in Sevenoaks, and you would also be in Judd (catchment). Tonbridge non grammar options are not good; Tunbridge Wells has better comprehensive and grammar options, but limited private options. Chikdren head to Tonbrudge, Sevenoaks, Mayfield, Bedes etc from TW).

We are in TW and all 4 of mine are at grammar schools. Places do come up at 13, but it is v rare...

TeenPlusCat · 06/02/2022 15:57

What if they don't pass the 11+ ...?

3peassuit · 06/02/2022 16:00

Cranbrook now takes from age 11.

LIZS · 06/02/2022 16:01

If you may need to pay fees you will find your housing budget goes further in Kent to facilitate it. If your dc1 is already 11 bear in mind private schools may pretest or test for deferred 13+ entry in year 6.

SwayingInTime · 06/02/2022 16:10

Also be aware that many Bucks grammar schools also have a requirement that you live at the property from which you are applying for a long period of time prior to applying - sometimes a year or more.

Well locals should complain to the schools adjudicator.

Whohashiddenthebiscuits · 06/02/2022 16:36

For Kent, depends on your budget. Will one of you need to commute into London at all? If so somewhere like Cranbrook would be more of a schlep in.

I’m outer Sevenoaks. Sevenoaks & Tonbridge Wells are considered ‘posher’ than Tonbridge but Tonbridge has hands down the best grammar options (although a lot of our kids all commute to schools between the towns).

Sevenoaks itself is very expensive. It’s a pretty town. It’s not got a great deal of shops (a few high end branches of stores such as Whistles) but there are a lot of restaurants. It’s the shortest commute into London, hence the price tag. We do have our own grammars - as mentioned, the girls Weald Annex and the recently opened Tunbridge Wells for Boys annex, both on the outskirts of town near Seal. But as others have raised, if your DC don’t pass the 11+then your options aren’t great. Knole, the local Secondary hasn’t a great rep (though it does have a grammar stream for DC who narrowly miss the 11+). Trinity, a Faith school is good.. but very oversubscribed and hard to get into on a non Faith place unless you live close. If you don’t fancy Sevenoaks itself, look at Otford (v pretty - has its own train line into London), Shoreham (ditto .. but a slower line I think), Borough Green (not so pretty but ok, own trainline and a decent Secondary - Wrotham), Wrotham and Platt (trains from Borough Green). Otford and Shoreham would be the most expensive, Borough Green the cheapest. We live in Borough Green - from here we are in catchment for the grammars in Tonbridge, Sevenoaks and Maidstone).

Tonbridge is a bit more mixed in terms of demographic but has some very nice properties. Retail wise, it’s all a bit Bonmarche but there are some nice restaurants. Property wise it’s cheaper than either Sevenoaks or Tunbridge Wells and has very frequent trains into London. It has a boys and girls Super selective (Judd and Tonbridge Girls Grammar) and a selective (Weald). If your DC don’t pass the 11*, Hillview girls school is decent but you’d struggle to find somewhere of equal calibre for boys.

Tunbridge Wells is a really nice old spa town and probably my favourite. Grammar wise it’s got a super selective for boys (Skinners), as well as a girls selective (Tunbridge Wells grammar for girls) and a selective boys (Tunbridge Wells grammar for boys).The local state —Skinners Academy - used to have a bad reputation but apparently has come on a great deal and it takes both boys and girls. It has the most restaurants and shops (although like most towns there have been a lot of closures). It’s the longest commute into London.

Medway I don’t know at all. I like the town centre of Rochester - the outskirts a lot less so. It has a very mixed demographic.

I’d also look at West Malling (but not the Kings Hill area) which is very historic and pretty ;DC either can go to grammars in Tonbridge or Maidstone). Some of the villages surrounding Maidstone are very pretty. Maidstone has 4 grammars which are high performing and less subscribed than the Tonbridge etc ones. You’ll also get a lot more house for your money! Maidstone has a direct train line to London.

But honestly, 75% of DC don’t pass the Kent Test in Year 6 so choose where you live really really carefully! Tutoring down here is rife to pass it, often starting in Year 4. Bus services between the towns and the train services too are good so many of our children go to schools in neighbouring towns. As above, as an example from Borough Green, DC go to grammars in Sevenoaks, Tonbridge, Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells and this is pretty common. It does make for long days though for them (my DD who goes into Tonbridge doesn’t get back till 5pm, add in then an hour of homework).

I’d really suggest coming down and spending time here to see what will work for you! Please feel free to message me.

SFisnotsimple · 06/02/2022 16:45

@Doctormum2021

There are no grammar schools in Sevenoaks itself . Which grammar schools would be in the catchment area of sevenoaks? I would appreciate any info you got . Thank you
That's not correct there are two, both annexes: Girls - Weald of Kent Grammar Boys - Tunbridge Wells Boys Grammar

Both on the same site in Sevenoaks

Many children from Sevenoaks commute to Tonbridge (10 mins on train ) and Tunbridge Wells (20 mins on train) plus buses

Takeachance18 · 06/02/2022 18:24

@SwayingInTime

Also be aware that many Bucks grammar schools also have a requirement that you live at the property from which you are applying for a long period of time prior to applying - sometimes a year or more.

Well locals should complain to the schools adjudicator.

They support it for the Calfonts which is where it applies or families move out of London and rent for a year then move back to original property once in.

If you move some distance it is acceptable, but they now have a clause of any house owned or previously owned within a radius, have to use that address not new address to stop places going to non bucks students.

Zodlebud · 06/02/2022 20:21

@SwayingInTime The locals are very happy with the policy. A few years ago there were real problems at the highly sought after Challoners grammar schools with parents renting small flats close to the schools within the two week period between finding out their DC had passed the exam and the admissions deadline. The location of the schools on the Met Line made this very attractive to rich London parents who could afford to do it. There were many instances of places being removed due to admissions fraud.

The policy is designed to protect Bucks school places for local children and it works. If you are a local and move then the chances are you stay within Bucks and nothing really changes. If you move too far away then you know you are likely to miss out on a grammar place.

Doctormum2021 · 06/02/2022 22:57

Thank you

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