In what circs (if any) is it ok for a teacher to take a child in his room and completely let fly verbally so that classes 3 doors down can hear

[MerryPIFFLEmas]

just wondering before I go into school to castrate the fecker.
AIBU?
FWIW my ds1 has not told me this, a boy in a class 3 doors down from this teachers office, heard the bollocking and told his mum how bad it was. This mother is a good friend of mine.
She rung me, when qu ds1 told me details

i am LIVID beyond control

What well-researched educational behavioural theory does this technique belong to?

Seriously, I am always astounded that this sort of thing is so prevalent in schools. Isn't there some kind of theory of behaviour that educactional experts study? Is it all just ad hoc?

Well sorry update has taken so long
Dp smartly changing internet provider on xmas weekend

Right teacher is in the shit big time.
It transpires
he is not the only one.
We now know that his grades were marked down when assessed by the other RE teacher after her being shocked that DS1 had failed a progress grade (he is G+T and on levels 8's for most everything -she is deputy heaad also)
The head of keystage has said all his work will be goen through and reassessed and that as the head teacher was leaving yesterday, that it it would be on the new HT's desk on the start of term.
she also apologised unreservedly and said
the lunch time detention was not allowed as they are not giving them anymore.
the afternoon detention was not allowed as ds1 has to have missed 2 homeworks to get one and he only missed one.
And that the shouting was also seriously concerning - this head of stage is also the anti bullying coordinator and she has said she is worried and had taken ds2 out of the RE class until further notice (he is very intimidated)
Now repercussions...

We also find that when teach took ds1 into his room he had ds1 face the door and then teach blocked it, held ds1s collar and had his face 5 inches from ds;s face so he spat in it as he talked.

I am praying the school sorts this or I am going further.

fwiw piff, i don't think that kind of behaviour is ever acceptable. any teacher worth there salt knows that resorting to screaming is beyond the pale and just not good practice, it shows a complete lack of control.

every school has one though. ime.

Roisin, are you serious

Are you really telling me that if your child was treated by a teacher in this way, you would do nothing? I really am incredibly shocked that any parent would have such disregard for their child to just blindly assume that as DS didn;t mention it, it should just be left 'as it won't make any difference either way'!

I'm glad that you feel you are getting somewhere Piffle - I hope the sanctions are appropriate in the circumstances.

Piff, hope this gets sorted.

I remember the craft knife incident - cor, was that 2 years ago?

You may find that they've had their eye on the teacher for ages and are grateful for a hard case with evidence on which they can move.

uber that was soooo the impression I got
The fact that ds mentioned he smelt alcohol on teachers breath at 2pm also sounded a bell...

We shall see what happens I am hopeful
if not I'll go and hunt the fecker down myself...

hunker yes it was about 18 mths age, well whenever the footy world cup (round ball UK goes la la for NO reason) was on
GREAT time to suspend a child huh

I'm glad they took it all seriously, there is no excuse for bawling out a child that much, even if they had misbehaved

Gosh that's sobering piffle.

The idea that schools may be desperate to get rid of some teachers but parents are too polite/ intimidated/ scared of being labelled problem parents to come forward to complain.

It's very difficult to know what should be complained about and what shouldn't, but that adds yet another dimension to throw into the mix.

Right an update for anyone interested
Get to new year, new head teacher...
Send letter in on first day saying pls excuse ds1 from RE until (unlikely) resolution is found, ds1 feels intimidated, scared and unsafe in class with that teacher.
Get call on first day saying new head teacher is shocked and appalled by teacher behaviour. unacceptable according to their learning behaviours strategy.Statement taken from ds1. Is withdrawn from RE class and dep head tutors him privately once a week (she is lovely and adores ds1)
Am called and head of yearr says full investigation underway, as evidence of unfair marking has come to light on not just ds1 but a couple of other students .
Statement taken from teacher which braodly correlates ds1's version.

On friday when ds1 was having his tutoring with dep head, she pops out and in walks RE teacher. Full and frank apology for his aggressive (his words) and bullying behaviour and that it would mean a lot to him to start again and build a good teacher pupil base from scratch.
DS1 is mildly appeased but realises teacher is prob in quite deep shit.
I coach him out of retribution but also realise that undermarking (for 17 mths in total) as well as several (many unknown to me until now) other minor aggressive events means teacher has actually been very unprofessional in the extreme.

Am probably going to persuade ds1 to accept apology and simply insist close mind is paid to the teacher for a while...

Am also dying for parents evening no one ever asks to see the RE teachers
You can bet the last penny in your pocket that I am going to....

so glad the new head has turned up trumps. Can't believe RE man had the effrontery to ask for forgiveness, though.

I can't wait to see what happens at parents' evening...

I opened this thread cos I thought you must be talking about a teacher that taught at my old school - I remember being bawled at from first floor one day and my friend heard it from a classroom on 2nd floor half way along the corridor!!

Actually I thought how 'brave' of the RE teacher and how wise of Piffle to advise her son in the way she has.

The teacher's reputation is in tatters now. Hopefully a real revelatory moment for him but also a test of character if he can come back from this, admit his mistakes and learn. But maybe too late in this school.

I wonder what sort of ethos existed before that led him to believe this bullying behaviour was acceptable. Maybe modelling himself on another 'professional'?

But great that the new head teacher is so open and decisive and that Piffle is getting the resolution her son so deserves.

the worst irony was that ds1 was a speaker to a panel in yr 7 (he is now yr9) for this teacher to gain an advanced teaching qualification - talking of what a good teacher he had been
I'm blind as to how their relationship deteriorated so much in such a short time.

Piffle! I was thinking about this thread yesterday! I'm glad there's been positive movement and I think you've been very wise. Let us know how parents' evening goes...when is it?

no idea when it is
But I'm ready
For a sweet conversation.
He cna extoll my sons virtues while living in fear of losing his nadgers

Blimey, he's an AST??

Is it a particularly tough/stressful school?

I know of a number of teachers brought to breaking point who behaved most oddly, coincidentally one was a ranting RE teacher too. He had a nervous breakdown.

Ha - as I read through this thread I remembered about the craft knife incident [old gimmer emoticon] and remembered how level-headed and conscientious your ds was at the time. So pleased that the new HT is on the ball.

Also think you are absolutely right in encouraging ds to accept the apology - no WAY is the teacher going to dare do anything to negatively impact on your ds now that he is so far up shit creek - but ensure that the doors of communication with the HT/dep HT are kept firmly open in case of any worries.

Would love to be a fly on the wall at that parents evening

I'll record it LOL
Seriously I do want to know how serious the implications are for the teacher - I am certain but not sure I am not the only parents to complain about him.
I met him in yr 7, lovely man to all intents.
perhaps it is pressure - I know he has just got married (lucky her both ds1 and I exclaimed simultaneously )

DS1 seems pretty calm about it now. Have received his progress grades and he now has a 1 for RE (has had 3 for 6 terms running previously) so am about that.

I don't want appeasing tbh, I want my son and others to be safe and dealt with fairly and openly. if he is crap and not trying then CALL ME, send a note home, tell his form teacher, put him on report, detention butdo not ABUSE him ffs.
Not that much to ask.
The school is a top 200 boys grammar but in mid england where things are a bit calmer...

I mean ds1 got a detention last week for not bringing in the correct PE socks - repeated failure. Fair do's - they know this and he did the thing no bother.
But the detention? Do lines? Read prescribed text? Lines? rubbish collecting?
Nope
worse than that the worst punishment they can think of.....

Free reading
DS1 was amde up - between 4-5 at hom he'd be helping me to bath dd and ds2, helping to cook tea and folding washing!!!!
He wants another one!!!

I teach in an all boys' school and there can be a culture, particularly if the senior management aren't supportive or the discipline system is weak, of young male teachers having to go in as hard nuts.

But the danger then is of using it a blunt tool with all students, including the ones who give no trouble, rather than building relationships. Female teachers, in a way, have it easier, but young males give other young male teachers a hard time if they are perceived as weak, particularly in subjects boys are less inclined to respect.

As to what will happen to the teacher, difficult to say. Certainly an official reprimand on his record. Depending on the level of complaint, the school can sack a teacher if there is a sufficient documentation. Or they might think he's worth 'saving'.

Or, what I have seen happen is, SMT don't want to go down the official route, but make it very awkward for that member of staff under the knowing eyes of canny students, forcing the teacher to leave which usually ends their career.

"Can't believe RE man had the effrontery to ask for forgiveness, though."

If a religion teacher can't, who can?