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Dulwich College a “breeding ground for sexual predators”

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rosemary201 · 22/03/2021 12:22

Another day, another school
Interestingly, the first letter from a boy

Dulwich College is today accused of being a “breeding ground for sexual predators” in an open letter organised by a former schoolboy that contains more than 100 anonymous accounts of assault, harassment and sharing intimate photos online.

The letter, written by Samuel Schulenburg, 19, a former pupil at the south London private school, said “experiences of assault, revenge pornography and slut shaming were exacerbated by ... young men who ... laughed at stories of sexual violence”.

His letter includes about 100 anonymous testimonies written by girls who went to neighbouring schools, such as James Allen’s Girls’ School (Jags). One claims there was “an established rape culture” at the school.

OP posts:
365sleepstogo · 28/03/2021 17:07

Lots of “ifs”, I know.
Alternatively, take the DC place and reapply elsewhere for year 7

Saltyslug · 28/03/2021 17:12

Girls and boys need school lessons to know what exactly harassment is, what a hate crime is, what whistle blowing is, what verbal, physical, sexual abuse is and what consent is and respectful dialogue. The community police and nspcc need to visit all children in school biannually and reinforce how to seek help for yourself or others. Importantly any inappropriate sexual comments made to girls in school need to be dealt with heavily. The police need to be bought in immediately for every minor or major sexual assault. Word spreads. Boys who are predatory will know there are repercussions.

Notenoughsleepmumof3 · 28/03/2021 17:16

Reading all these accounts I am completely relieved I didn't send my son there 4 years ago and opted for our state option, which is not perfect in any way and has had it's own share of bad behaviour at times, but it does not compare at all to what has gone on at DC. And, equally there is a clear path at his state school to raise concerns. I had a funny feeling when we were going through the process, and when he got in and they were offering him scholarships we had to have a meeting with the head. I just felt like I was being sold a charlatan potion at the time. It was all very shiny. They did a hard sell and it didn't sit right with me. DC is a business and a big one. I didn't like that aspect. That isn't what education should be. I'm glad I trusted my gut and didn't get caught up in the glamour of my son being accepted to what is considered a top school in the country. I must admit, I was very turned off that Nigel Farage was a graduate. That left a terrible taste in my throat.

My heart goes out to those girls.

365sleepstogo · 28/03/2021 17:17

there is a testimony from a former black DC pupil who was forced to participate in a mandingo (slave) fight with another black pupil during the DC rugby tour of America. The school's culture was such that he didn't even question it at the time as "the banter" was so normalised. It beggars belief but the Times notes that his account "was corroborated byt the pupil he was ordered to fight"

What the hell is going on there??

strugglinginswlondon · 28/03/2021 17:27

I am a mum at DC.

I am in full support of the victims, and being able to share their stories in a safe environment is nothing short of fantastic. This alone shows there is real progress.

I count myself as a feminist who has frequently defended the rights of women to I've passed to my son, who seemingly acts as an ally to women and has many female friends at JAGs and Alleyns.

On the revelation of the allegations, my son's response was of disgust, shame and disappoint that older boys at his school could do this, and use the name of DC as a shield. Yes, I too, saw a decline in mental health, as I watched him frantically snapchat his female friends to see if they thought badly of him now the allegations were out.

As a supporter of the victims, I feel I cannot openly speak of how this affects my child's mental health as it is not relevant in the bigger pictures and it takes away recognising the utter pain that these young women have been through. But, on a human level, any other mother can probably see my anguish at my own child, who is guilty of being complicit in sexual harassment by association.

I researched DC heavily before choosing, not overtly liking single sex schools, yet the current parents and pupils gave no indication of any such behaviours, other than a bit of 'a team swagger' which I saw everywhere. I used mumsnet extensively, again not one single person made reference to such behaviours or that girls from local schools actively avoided DC boys. Of course, not that I don't believe they weren't present, but why was no one on this forums (and others like nappy valley net etc) where you can pretty much anonymously call out such behaviours, yet now the testimonials are coming thick and fast that everyone knew about them. This too worries me that the cover up has been accepted for so long.

The focus on private schools in unhealthy where state schools are concerned, and I hope the girls get a similar amount of attention when sharing their stories. I am certainly trying to advocate for changes in their schools too.

I have an older child, at a different school, and as she reached 'the party years' I was shocked and surprised at what parents see as acceptable behaviour from their offspring, both boys and girls. Kids given alcohol, in some cases, weed, houses in which to party, encouraged to go to the commons and parks to 'socialise', open talk about doing things in bushes etc, mixed gender sleepovers - some parents doing it as they were desperate for their kids to be in the popular gang and if this is what it took ... Again, inappropriate behaviour from boys is not called for, but bloody hell, when they're given just about every tool for them to party like they're in their 20s without the emotional intelligence to deal with it, it's not surprising we have these cultures rampant within our school age kids.

I have no clue how I will deal with my son and DC, I am firstly awaiting the response and the actions that will be taken. Here at home, it is being drilled home about women's safety and equality. I feel lost, sick and disillusioned with the London private school system.

Notenoughsleepmumof3 · 28/03/2021 18:43

@strugglinginswlondon I actually think it is important to focus on the atmosphere related to private education in this country and sexual violence.

  1. Private education often undermines the state sector in attitudes, in policy, in future prospects for state school graduates and very much in our current government, starting with David Cameron and Michale Gove who, privately educated themselves, systematically began the process of underfunding and not supporting the state sector. Schools are on their knees and yet they are still doing amazing things with their students and turning out some fantastic students and adults. They should be commended.
  1. In SW London, where I am as well, there aren't enough school places in the state sector to serve the population. I'm not even talking about Good schools. I'm saying there aren't enough places period. Again underfunded. State classrooms are ballooning, sometimes having 35-40 kids in a class, while the private schools sit comfortably with 26 max in a class. So I do understand why people with the means often choose private. And many are thankful they do, because it opens up state places for others. It shouldn't be like that. Also, those schools are businesses. They do not deserve charitable status just because they have a few students from poorer backgrounds on scholarship.
  1. The world has changed and society as changed from when only the wealthy were educated and charitable benefactors formed charity schools for the poor. Yet, much of the class divide can still be related to what is currently happening in our school system. Look at the current government. That's a problem.

So, I believe as a society it is part of the argument of why are schools raising boys this way. Of course there is terrible and stupid behaviour in all schools, but this happened at a school and at others like it disproportionately.

I think it makes us all feel sick. I know kids and families at these schools and sadly I am not surprised because of the entitlement that they carry. Parents and students. Not all, but enough to make it really toxic. All you have to do is go to Wandsworth Common on a Friday night and it is on full display, in uniform, and the uniforms are from the private schools.

snowdropsinapril · 28/03/2021 18:53

Hello, Were Kent and Bexley Grammar's mentioned on the website?

What about Kingsdale was that mentioned?
sur125 I can only imagine you would feel shellshocked.

snowdropsinapril · 28/03/2021 18:57

Notenoughsleepmumof3 I totally agree with your posts.
It was not DC but another private school that made me feel something wasn't right, and I was concerned that my child would end up being entitled, but to be fair I couldn't find anything online, it was more like a deep intuitive feeling. That the school was not right for us, apart from all the money!!!

Thanks to those who answered as to how they are feeling.

DC will have some explaining and action points to do, not only to make parents feel comfortable but also other students and students from surrounding schools.

I looked at Kingsdale for my children, out of interest I always wondered what the interaction was like for Kingsdale and DC, or do they not really integrate or interact? I always thought that maybe DC would lend it's grounds to Kingsdale - or am I wrong?

snowdropsinapril · 28/03/2021 19:29

And I should probably start another thread about other schools in South East London as this thread is centred on DC! Apologies.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 28/03/2021 19:39

Bexley Grammar I'm sure was mentioned as were Dunraven and Tiffin Boys.

Beetle11 · 28/03/2021 19:41

One thing which hasn’t been mentioned here (or I may have missed it) is that DC is a boarding school as well as a day school. Presumably in the case of boarders the school is in loco parentis during term time.
I’m not suggesting any boarders are involved in this, from what I hear they don’t really mix socially with the day boys, but it does make the role of the school vs the parent more significant.

strugglinginswlondon · 28/03/2021 19:45

@Notenoughsleepmumof3 thank you for a very considered reply.

1.I disagree with you on Gove / Cameron - I say it was Thatcher years. 'Having been in secondary school in those years, I have clear memories of portacabins and no books. I totally agree in the amazing staff in state sector -much, much underrated.

  1. You are 100% on lack of spaces. One reason my kids ended up in the private sector is that neither got into a local school - their elitist selective policy kept them out! But DC took one of them ...

Lastly - Totally agree with your summation on Wandsworth common - but do not be fooled, there's plenty of state school representation there too - they were all at primaries together!

Oohhhbetty · 28/03/2021 20:03

I worked as an outside provider to the state and private sector and there was a golden time in late 90’s and early 2000’s for state funded schools. Brilliant funding, fabulous building programs, teaching really respected as profession. The last 10 years has decimated all of those gains. However, despite the lack of frills, the state sector has amazing staff, integrity and very clear reporting procedures for the sort of horrific incidents we are talking about. I much preferred working in the state sector schools to the fee paying schools and if you will allow me a slight generalisation, (I did go in to many schools) the state ones seemed happier environments.

strugglinginswlondon · 28/03/2021 20:09

@Oohhhbetty

I worked as an outside provider to the state and private sector and there was a golden time in late 90’s and early 2000’s for state funded schools. Brilliant funding, fabulous building programs, teaching really respected as profession. The last 10 years has decimated all of those gains. However, despite the lack of frills, the state sector has amazing staff, integrity and very clear reporting procedures for the sort of horrific incidents we are talking about. I much preferred working in the state sector schools to the fee paying schools and if you will allow me a slight generalisation, (I did go in to many schools) the state ones seemed happier environments.
Ahhh new labour! Building schools for future, PPA time, Cambridge curriculum! It was a golden time! Bar the bit about being able to choose any school you fancied which heralded an era of state school selection that the middle classes manipulated ... I agree, states often have very happy atmospheres and they are not cesspits of despair as so many depict
DirtyDancing · 28/03/2021 20:19

Interesting to hear Wandsworth Common mentioned aka ‘heading over to Wands’ all the GCSEs + ages, private AND state, hang there. Hot bed of Ket, alcohol and smoking. I know a Mum who’s having a torrid time with her 16 year old with regards to the crowd on ‘Wands’. Ket is cheaper than alcohol and more easily accessible, which is an incredibly scary prospect indeed.

snowdropsinapril · 28/03/2021 20:28

NewModelArmyMayhem18 thanks for that, I will have a hunt around and try chat to some parents. More thinking for my youngest now.

SquirmOfEels · 28/03/2021 20:38

Wandsworth Common (the southern bit, bounded on two sides by Trinity Road and Bellevue Road) has loads of local teens hanging out on summer evenings; it's all local schools (esp Bolingbroke) and not just the private ones by any stretch.

One of the nearby pubs did takeaway sales last year, and there was much inebriation as well as drug taking (and occasionally police drugs raid there)

If you happen to go past, you'll easily see how crowded and raucous it gets.

Notenoughsleepmumof3 · 28/03/2021 20:43

Probably time for another post on this one. I'm not fooled in the least. And I know stuff goes on in the state sector as well. Although not to the same extreme my kids would say. There is a lot more money in the private sector floating around. More drugs and more parties. All the kids in SW London do know or know of each other in state and private schools and I have 3 teenagers. New Labour did some fantastic things for education and equally messed some things up. You are not wrong there, but Cameron and Gove took the mess up to another level. I saw really change in my local primary after Gove came in and it was not good...Like I said. Another post.

The open letter to Dr Spence is stomach turning and needs thorough investigation which I believe it is getting now, I hope. But, I do think it is important to look at this from a society standpoint. Schools are just mini microcosms of society as a whole. It's important to begin honestly asking why rather than saying not my kid?

I don't feel sorry for the schools or the pupils attending them. They need to fix it. I feel sorry for the victims of the abuse they endured.

I have a son at one of the State schools mentioned in the testimonial page. And I read it and said. Yes. Not surprised. When my DS was in year 7/8 I checked his chats regularly and I was stunned, not at what he was posting, he only engaged when it was homework related and he let me check his phone, he had nothing to hide, but what others in his form were posting was shocking. They were just a bunch of little shits and so sexist. I brought it up in the parent class whatsapp group, not naming names but saying I think the parents should be monitoring the use of the class chats a bit because there were some disturbing and sexists and racist conversations happening. They might want to have some conversations with their sons. The mum of the boy who was one of the worst culprits showed her son my text, he screen shotted it, shared it with the alpha group and then my son was completely taken to task by that group of alpha male kids at school the next day. So...shitty kids....shitty parents. Usually they don't want to believe it is their kid. My DS hates most of the kids at his school. He likes the teachers and he doesn't want to change and he has his small group of nice friends that he sticks to. He dropped out of the sport on offer because he said most of the boys were awful people and he hated the whole atmosphere of the 'team'. He was a good player and made a captain, but he couldn't stomach it and he said the coaches were just as bad. I believe him.

strugglinginswlondon · 28/03/2021 20:53

@Notenoughsleepmumof3 you are completely right about not using the 'not my kid' line.

I noticed when it kicks off on Wands - the private school families blames the state school kids they've met, and the state schools blame the private school kids ... anyone but their own kid ...

strugglinginswlondon · 28/03/2021 21:07

@DirtyDancing

Interesting to hear Wandsworth Common mentioned aka ‘heading over to Wands’ all the GCSEs + ages, private AND state, hang there. Hot bed of Ket, alcohol and smoking. I know a Mum who’s having a torrid time with her 16 year old with regards to the crowd on ‘Wands’. Ket is cheaper than alcohol and more easily accessible, which is an incredibly scary prospect indeed.
Tbh, Wandsworth Common and what goes on there deserves its own thread.
Notenoughsleepmumof3 · 28/03/2021 21:10

yep zero self-reflection and zero responsibility.

strugglinginswlondon · 28/03/2021 21:11

@Notenoughsleepmumof3

yep zero self-reflection and zero responsibility.
Totally. This is the root of it all.
Notenoughsleepmumof3 · 28/03/2021 21:13

The kid who sells it is a wealthy DC kid. Everyone knows who he is.

Oohhhbetty · 28/03/2021 21:13

We don’t live in London - I find it ironic that people send their children to fee paying schools so that they meet like minded, academic, well bought up children and then they all hang out together at the parties and on the common anyway and share the same dealers! I thought they fee paying children are supposed to making ‘good connections’ ?????

strugglinginswlondon · 28/03/2021 21:16

@Notenoughsleepmumof3

The kid who sells it is a wealthy DC kid. Everyone knows who he is.
Why aren't they ratting him out? You clearly know who he is - get him reported for the good of our kids.