3 different punishments over a 5 month period for one incident -is this even legal ?

[LifeIz]

I have two kids at this school, one in year 7 and one in year 10. My DD was talking to friends during a lesson, her friend mention that her parent said the teacher was primordial, while my DD in response said her parent mention that the teacher was tribal... this conversation resulted in my DD having three different punishments, one being a 5 day internal exclusion, now she's on her fourth for the same incident, because the teacher said the first three punishments were not severe enough, culminating in another exclusion (this time external). [ angry]

Your child's ethnicity is not at all relevant in the context of the pair of little madams sitting discussing their teacher in disparaging terms, right in front of her.

absolutely.

We're all discussing the definitions of words, but the mere fact of slagging off a teacher when they are in the same room shows a startling amount of arrogance as well as stupidity.

Btw, isn't primordial similar to saying someone is the "missing link"? I refer to people sometimes as this, meaning they are a bit unevolved , eg dh's friend who is the polar opposite of Renaissance Man.

At no point have I said that what DD said was not wrong, the issue I have raised was that she was punished 3 times for the same thing when the other child got away with it, all the children in the class wrote a statement saying what the other child said...so I am rather confused why my child of colour is getting all this preferential treatment.

...I have not included the fact that DD was mocked and bullied on racial grounds by the teacher for two years prior to this incident.

Well, there seems to be a lot more going on. Just ask for a meeting with the school. People on the internet can't possibly comment when they're only in possession of 1% of the facts.

Really OP - that's a massive drip feed that suddenly you are claiming that the teacher racially abused your DD.

If that was true, surely you would have raised it with the Head and the Governors as mitigating evidence immediately??

The kids who were sending the sexting images, swearing at teachers, destroying classrooms etc were not excluded or punished numerous times, but instead given detentions.

Tribal = a family like unit
Primordial = primitive

This is a waste of everyone's time, OP. You're obviously giving very selective information so those of us who might be able to help you can't because we only have bits of the story.

The issue at the start of this forum was the fact that DD had been given numerous punishments for one incident with the 5 month gap.

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I am a bit sceptical about putting the whole issue online as I am aware the DD's school constantly monitors this site.

Context is everything though OP. So many posters have bothered to explain that.

Brown is just a colour like any other but can also be a horribly racist term.

Until you give a true ana accurate representation of what actually happened, and the backstoryI can't see how anyone can help.

Last year, the teacher constantly commented on the fact there was no dad on file and said to DD 'all you people are like that'. There were many instances when the teacher made snide comments about DD's race. This pushed DD into a long state of anxiety when she didn't feel safe in the school because if she reported anything, she felt as if something would happen.

Are you really sure? I can't imagine anyone - let alone a teacher - would actually say that to a teenager's (well, anyone's) face. No dad on file? This must apply to many hundreds of pupils.

If a teacher had said anything approaching all this surely you would have raised it straightaway?

And what was the result of the complaints you made about the teacher's blatant racism?

The teacher constantly told DD she was taking the foundation paper because "she was not up to it", bearing in mind that DD is in all top set classes and is predicted to get 8s in that subject.

When DDs books were not marked and revision guides not supplied by the teacher a month before the exam, I phoned and complained. This is when all the problems seem to have started.

I am a bit sceptical about putting the whole issue online as I am aware the DD's school constantly monitors this site

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No funding issues there, then, if they can afford a full-time MN watcher.

Another possible meaning of 'tribal', non-racist: leading / encouraging her own special group of children, possibly to the exclusion of others in the same class - ?

Just trying to help you out, here.

How can the teacher be a family like unit all by herself? This can’t possibly have been the context in which it was used.

Her school does not constantly monitor this site, you are being deliberately ridiculous now. Give over.

But telling someone they are not up to a subject isn't racist. It may be wrong or even vindictive, but not racist .

Is she in Year 10? Or has she taken her GCSEs?

After many complaints about the teacher, and about her further actions against DD, it eventually led to this.

After DD said what she said, she was placed in internal isolation for 5 days. After DD was receiving horrible looks from the teacher, I complained again. After this complaint, the teacher said that DDs punishment wasn't severe enough.

I do agree that your Dd's ethnicity is always relevant.

It sounds as if there are serious issues with the school as a whole.

OK I will be very clear and blunt rather than second guess. I hope I do not offend anyone.

I have 3 times witnessed extreme friction between members of the African-Caribbean community and people who have come here from African countries. In one of these the word tribal almost led to violence. I am well aware of ongoing tension amongst some, a minority, of people from these different groups, and it is of course caused and fuelled by the worst of history.

It is quite ;possible that a child be discriminated against (unconscious bias) for being black / mixed race, yes, it still happens in schools, there was an obvious example shown on screen in the recent Grammar Schools series on Tv. It is also possible for a child to use this form of insult against a teacher (as it sounds as if yours did) , and for a teacher to engage in inter-community prejudice or discrimination.

As others have said, she should not have faced repeated and cumulative punishments for a single incident.

A teacher should NEVER have said those things before this all started and I am amazed that you would not have pursued a formal complaint through every possible channel.

I would start with finding out the school's version of why the repeated punishments occurred but have a statement of everything that has happened which is relevant.

Is it possible for your child to change schools?

life just going off your posts at face value and assuming your not adding things or exaggerating them.

It does seem as though your child is getting a rough ride out of all this.

I have read the whole trying to understand what is going on here, but like others I am still confused.

The ethnicity of my child is absolutely relevant, it will always be relevant.

OP, can you please explain this. Do you realise that people of the same ethnicity can still be discriminatory towards each other ?

So you made a formal complaint to the school about this teacher’s racist behaviour? What was the outcome of that complaint?

Not buying this at all