3 different punishments over a 5 month period for one incident -is this even legal ?

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I have two kids at this school, one in year 7 and one in year 10. My DD was talking to friends during a lesson, her friend mention that her parent said the teacher was primordial, while my DD in response said her parent mention that the teacher was tribal... this conversation resulted in my DD having three different punishments, one being a 5 day internal exclusion, now she's on her fourth for the same incident, because the teacher said the first three punishments were not severe enough, culminating in another exclusion (this time external). [ angry]

You should be disgusted at your child OP, not at the school who are trying to educate her about how wrong her words were.

I'm still absolutely stunned that children in a school were using the terms 'primordial' and 'tribal' so casually about a teacher! It's just brazen and completely lacking any respect or decency. That they were repeating the opinions of their parents makes it even worse.

ok...
my DD is a child of colour, the other child not of colour did not get punished. Shouldn't both children have got the same punishment?

...It was for the same incident

Why did you or her dad call the teacher tribal?

I think you are being naive to assume your DD and her friend have told you the whole truth about the incident or series of incidents.

Ok so I've looked up primordial and tribal and neither are racist terms so why the shit ton of punishment?

The teachers are saying it's all for the same incident I repeat why so many punishments you punish once harping on breeds resentment and encourages bad behaviour

I think both are racist - hard to know if specifically about one race, but certainly they wouldn't be applied to a Caucasian teacher, I would think, and definitely derogatory. Is the teacher older, too?

I think your child being of colour is not necessarily of any significance, although it may be, but it's impossible to know from the information you've given. If there were 6 children involved and all behaved exactly the same and she was the only one given the punishment, maybe, but when the number involved is 2, it's a 50:50 probability!

They took statements from the kids, as is normal practise in schools, so the whole truth came out - I do not need to be naive.

The fact your child is a child of colour, I am not sure how that is relevant. People of colour can be extremely racist, as can white people.

Something doesn't add up here. There must have been other incidents. Alternatively, was an apology a condition of the punishment and did she refuse to offer one?

How do you know the other child was not punished? Have you had a conversation with the year tutor at all about it? did your child repeat racist comments she hers from you?

There is no way it’s all about one single unrepeated incident that happened five months ago.
That’s frankly unbelievable.
Why did you call the teacher tribal in your child’s hearing?

Lots here doesn't sound right.

Have you looked at the school's behaviour and discipline policy? At the very least, it seems poor practice to impose one sanction for a breach of the policy and then impose a different sanction for the same incident. What does the policy say?

Do ask the school for their explanation of the sequence of events. Look too at the exclusions guidance.

My DD was told to write a letter of apology - which she wrote when the second punishment was given. The teacher was asked to do restorative justice but refused.

My DD has one incident for the entire year - and this is it.

The school has a very strange pastoral system that a child can get external exclusion on the say so of one teacher?
Something major not adding up.
The HT needs to investigate .

PanelChair, what do you mean by exclusion guidance, I am assuming you mean the letter that we were sent.

So the second punishment was for failing to write the letter of apology?

No PanelChair means the stautory DFE guidance on school.exclusion.

So she wrote the apology letter after the second punishment. Was she asked to do so after the first punishment?

So you said the teacher was "tribal" you dd's friend said the teacher was "primordial"

Why?

Tribal is not a racist term according to the dictionary; it is also used in several exam papers set by AQA and OCR (English, History and Art).

In what context did you use it when speaking about your daughter’s teacher (to your daughter??)

What was meant by the comment then?

It really sounds as if you are making excuses for the original offence, you are angry the other girl wasn't punished and you haven't got the real story about what has been happening.

It sounds as if your daughter may be minimising what has gone on. A school's staff would be putting themselves at risk I'd imagine for unfair exclusions.

Tribal is not a racist term according to the dictionary

That doesn’t mean it cant be used in a racist way.

Ok, aside from whether it is a definitively racist term, can we all agree that it was absolutely, categorically, in no way meant to be complementary, and in any case, it was definitely not a pleasant word to use about an adult who teaches her?

What was your/your partner's intention when the term was used to describe this teacher at home? Was it used to convey the sense that you were of the belief that the teacher belonged to a tribe?

We’re not going to get any answers from the OP to the pertinent questions so may as well leave it