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GCSEs 2018 (4 already)

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Stickerrocks · 24/02/2018 20:56

Following on from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/3152060-GCSEs-2018-3

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AlexanderHamilton · 10/03/2018 16:23

At the moment I’m rooting for katymac’s Dd who graduates this year.

AlexanderHamilton · 10/03/2018 16:24

DD is probably more very likely to end up on a cruise ship though I also think she’d make a great swing (someone who covers lots of tracks in a show & steps in last minute)

Stickerrocks · 10/03/2018 17:13

I'll settle for the cruise ship. My chum was Sandy in Grease in the Caribbean when she graduated & it has led into yet another dream leading role.

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Teenmum60 · 10/03/2018 17:28

I anticipate that my DD would love running the kids club on a cruise ship ...she is friends with the girl who ran the teens club last year on RCL. If DD said she wanted to do that for a couple of years I would be quite happy ...great way of seeing the world (and not too hard work running teen club although I think they need a degree).

Hope your DD manages to sort out options that she is happy with AH. I have just bought some tickets for Phantom for DD's birthday ...she adores going to the theatre...16 days until Hamilton Smile.

One of DD's friends just got into her Performing Arts school not sure which one it is ...she was weak on dance and has worked incredibly hard in this area....

mmzz · 10/03/2018 17:56

Sorry to hear that @AlexanderHamilton. It's the story of distraction that you don't need when you want them to buckle down and focus on revising.

I'm having one of those days. DS1s shyness is a real issue sometimes and today things have come to a head. DS2 has stayed under the radar recently and he's just had a slew of test results back that make me realise that all is not well with him either and I need to find out what's happening. He's always had really good results but suddenly they are very mediocre.

mmzz · 10/03/2018 17:58

I can't see what you would take from history GCSE into A level except a bit of critical thinking. Agree that it's the good result in English that will be the indicator for having the requisite skills for History A level.

Teenmum60 · 10/03/2018 18:20

mmzz - cannot be easy with bright boys at same school ... I was a child that followed in my brother's footsteps at school and I rebelled - I hated being compared.

Happy bunny here - DD got 85% in Chemistry exam last week and it should have been 100% apart from a couple of really silly mistakes...I'm beginning to feel that she has just switched the lights on.

Sostenueto · 10/03/2018 19:07

Hope it gets sorted Alexander but I'm sure dd a very talented dc and will succeedFlowers
teenmum what a Star your dd is!Cake

Sostenueto · 10/03/2018 20:28

You all might be interested in this:

10th March, 2018
Why Gove’s GCSE Reforms Are A National Disgrace – And How It Happened
Roger Marsh
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Has anyone ever heard a rational explanation for the so-called English Baccalaureate? This is the measure that is forcing our secondary schools to restrict the GCSE curriculum to a narrow band of subjects which excludes Art, Drama, Music, PE, Psychology, Computer Science, Design and other subjects deemed ‘un-academic’.

Many schools are already restricting their pupils to just one free choice at GCSE, so that they can restructure staffing to meet the ministerial demands that all pupils take the ‘full Ebacc’: English Language, English Literature, Maths, two science subjects, History, Geography and a modern language. Across the country, schools are discontinuing other subjects beyond Year 9 (age 15). These other subjects are therefore also disappearing at A-Level. In other words, career choices in creative media and sports sciences are being closed off for our young people. Parents are only just beginning to realise this, although the writing on the wall has been very clear since 2013.

The EBacc was Michael Gove’s contribution to education and it has been championed by subsequent ministers and the department for education. But why these subjects? No one has ever offered an educational rationale for restricting the curriculum in this way. The only argument seems to be: “these are the subjects most frequently required by Russell Group universities”.

This statement is simply untrue. It is based on the Russell Group’s own fiction, Informed Choices 2011, that certain subjects are more likely to get you a place at a top university than others. The Russell Group called these subjects ‘facilitating subjects’, and schools are now measured on how many of their pupils achieve high grades in two of these subjects. The list is – remarkably – exactly the same as the EBacc list.

The Russell Group intended this advice for pupils who wanted to get to a ‘top university’ but who had no idea what subject they might want to study. Statistically, more students at RG universities have the so-called ‘core’ subjects. This is not surprising: English, Geography, History, Maths and Sciences have always been vastly more popular subjects at A-Level than, for example, Music. But their popularity does not make them more academic or, crucially, more acceptable for university entrance.

There is no Russell Group university to which a student holding Music, Art and Drama could not apply. For some Geography courses at RG universities, it not essential to have Geography A-Level. In what sense, then, is Geography a ‘facilitating’ subject? Are there other university courses that would require Geography? Of course not. And in any case, why this emphasis on Russell Group universities, when there are many excellent non-Russell Group universities? But that is another story.

I have been lobbying the Russell Group since 2013 to come clean and state publicly that their 2011 list of ‘facilitating subjects’ has been widely misunderstood and that Gove’s use of this list as the basis of the EBacc was ill-judged and inappropriate. Indeed Wendy Piatt, director general of the Russell Group in 2013, wrote to me: “we share your concerns about the DfE’s use of the idea of facilitating subjects… and that in particular this has led to the misapprehension that only facilitating subjects are valued by our universities”.

However, the Russell Group, now with a new director, has never spoken out publicly against the facilitating subject performance measure that is inflicted on our schools. Nor has the link been made between this and the pernicious EBacc, which is destroying the Arts in our schools, and consequently also in our universities.

mmzz · 10/03/2018 20:48

That's from labour list and the author is a professor of music (so maybe a bit biased?)

Sostenueto · 10/03/2018 21:14

Maybe mmzz but the truth is the arts are being neglected and being cut from the curriculum.

mmzz · 10/03/2018 21:35

Michael gove is the same age as me. He went to school in Scotland doing O'grades and highers at the same time that I did.
I know this is not something that the English will want to hear, but the Scottish system of education back then was far superior to maybe the o'level system at the same time, but definitely to the GCSE system until they were reformed.
Everything in my experience pointed at that being true.
People theorise about where give got his ideas but I think they only need to look his own education in 80s Scotland. English and maths were mandatory. French or German was heavily encouraged. Doing at least one science was so widespread that I never met anyone who didn't do anything. And everyone did either history, Geography or Modern studies (a sort of basic Politics and Modern history combined).
I am Scottish and I heard stories about the English state system from the news etc when I lived here in England but didn't have children. I thought they were exaggerated. Then my children were born and started school. I thought the first school was just awful, and I assumed it was a one off mistake, but I was wrong. Honestly, I'm glad that Gove was an effective education secretary. It was ridiculous that subjects like media studies were allowed to become so mainstream.

TheSecondOfHerName · 10/03/2018 21:38

Teenmum60 that's really encouraging; she'll be flying by May/June!

Oddsocks15 · 10/03/2018 21:39

I’m out most of tomorrow, so Happy Mother’s Day everyone Wine Gin Cake Flowers Bear Brew

Teenmum60 · 10/03/2018 22:10

Happy Mothers day for tomorrow everyone!

mmzz · 10/03/2018 22:58

Happy mother's Day!

Walkingdeadfangirl · 11/03/2018 00:42

Just read that post about the EBacc, and I really dont recognise it compared to my experience of school, DS in Y11 at moment.

Art, Drama, Music, PE, Psychology, Computer Science, Design and other subjects are all offered and taken up by pupils at DS school. So I dont see how they are disappearing. Confused. Kids are encouraged, not forced to do the EBacc, and I agree as a core that Maths, English, Science, History/Geograph & MFL should be the foundation of most children's education.

I think the changes have been good for the English education system, obviously there is turbulence in the transition but that is always the case with change. The proof will be in the results and we can compare them to how well Scotland and Wales do.

Sostenueto · 11/03/2018 04:17

Happy Mothers day to all!Flowers

LooseAtTheSeams · 11/03/2018 06:06

Happy Mother's Day! (I'm up because the cat got me out of bed - I'm going back soon!)BrewCakeThanks
I'm not going to say what I think of Gove but I must correct one error in the article - computer science absolutely is an ebacc subject, and if schools aren't offering it the reason will be the shortage of qualified teachers. Rather than ebacc, I think cutbacks are the biggest threat to music and drama.
I have no problem with media studies. I looked at the A level textbook and the theories discussed aren't taught in English until degree level! Smile

mmzz · 11/03/2018 06:33

Don't get me wrong, I make no claims about how good the Scottish education system is today. In fact, I am sure I remember a big report about two years ago that says it has taken a massive tumble in the international league tables in recent years and the recent reforms have made things worse.

Interestingly, while England has been moving towards linear exams, SPAG and learning things be heart, Scotland has developed a fluid exam system - called NAT4s and NAT5s - with coursework counting towards 20% of the mark. Whilst we have 9/10/11 or even 12 GCSES, they have 6 or 7 NAT 4/5s.

My theory is that Scotland and Northern Ireland did extremely well within the U.K. for decades, but started to decline about a decade after devolution when they started to "enjoy" the same sort of political interference interest from a central government that England has always had. The objective of the Scottish reforms as I understand it, was to narrow the attainment gap between the most able and the least able, but all the reforms have achieved is to bring the average attainment down.

Oddsocks15 · 11/03/2018 08:26

From BBC website; Mr Hinds promised head teachers no more changes to the curriculum or to testing and exams in primary or secondary school until the end of this Parliament.

But existing reforms that are already in the pipeline, such as the roll-out of changes to GCSEs, will go ahead.

LooseAtTheSeams · 11/03/2018 08:36

I must admit I know little about the Scottish system!
I definitely agree with teaching SPAG and marking it but the main problem is some of the primary curriculum is over the top, possibly another example of interference!

Teenmum60 · 11/03/2018 09:47

Morning - lots of early birds today...I think my DD could not have chosen a better card ...

Hope you all have a fab day...

GCSEs 2018 (4 already)
mmzz · 11/03/2018 09:51

Great card, Teenmum. It's pretty true too

LooseAtTheSeams · 11/03/2018 11:13

teenmum that's a great card!