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DD13 and social media. What can I do? I now have parents at my door.

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DailyMailDontStealMyThread · 24/05/2017 22:07

DD13 has issues which involve risk taking, immaturity and lack of gadging situations.

She loves her phone and enjoys snapchat and Instagram although we rarely get to see any of it because she is very guarded over her phone.

I know how bad that sounds and I deserve to be told to parent her and I do try but she has ODD amongst other things and it's a real pick your battles mind field, very draining and I feel bad enough about it all without being called out on here as well. I'm asking for help and advice.

It's come to light that DD is in with a few girls online that she allows herself to get pulled in with and long short of it is coming across as a bully. This is horrible and I hate it. Ive previously had parents at my door (understandable) and I've removed her phone for periods of time as punishment. This results in constant wars with her stealing other family gadgets (she has two other sisters) and wil go "missing" after school because "she doesn't have a phone"

A couple of nights ago she joined a live feed (I've no idea really what that is) and a parent told her to fuck off, she would drag her to the curb and called her a cunt. This is a parent that DD has been vile to, I punished her for it and things looked like they had sorted themselfpves out and I've not had any issues for ages since.

DD told me straight away, I think she wanted me to jump to her defence but I've explained that the parent, although very wrong is mad on behalf of her daughter because of how DD made her feel.

I want to take her internet access away. She is clearly not mature enough to be on it but her dad doesn't agree and it's his account that pays for the phone and all the internet etc. He thinks she needs one more chance but that's one more chance to bully someone else isn't it?

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WorknameJimEllis · 24/05/2017 23:43

OP, you Need to repost in the special needs section

You will get a more helpful response than the troll hunting pearl clutching you are getting here.

I hope you and your daughter get the help you need it sounds soul destroying FlowersBrewCakeWine

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TheMysteriousJackelope · 24/05/2017 23:46

If she didn't have these other issues in the background I would say 'cut off her internet access'. But it sounds like that isn't going to work in her case as it'll just trigger a whole host of other damaging behavior.

Can you or your DH go online with her to guide her on how to navigate her interactions with this group? Can you find a chatroom based around an interest she has and get her signed up with that, as it sounds like this group she spends on line time with are just not healthy for her? Can you get her into other online activities that are away from this group?

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sashh · 25/05/2017 00:06

Commenting on pictures that are photoshopped using "fat girl" porn with the child's face pasted on

You need to report that to the police, it is actually illegal to do that (putting a child's head on porn image).

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DailyMailDontStealMyThread · 25/05/2017 00:12

mother thank you for replying, your post is the exact reason I don't agree with "one more chance" I hope your DD comes through it all, as horrible as it is. I hate my DD for what she is doing, let posts try and bring me down but how do you love someone that goes agisnt all you believe for?

SS were involved but dismissed us to outer agencies who have since discharged us, we are in limbo and I wish family restbite was an option but it isn't.

I need to try and sleep, alarm set for 5am...

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contrary13 · 25/05/2017 00:14

Mother - actually, yes. My son. I was also bullied as a child, in senior school, by my peers. Not online, because that didn't exist at the time, but in person, with fists and shoves in the back going up and down flights of concrete steps. I know how it feels on both counts.

The key difference between you and the adult who has threatened to physically harm the OP's child is very simple. You may have thought it. You may have felt it. But you wouldn't, and didn't, do it.

There's a very old adage, which I'm pretty sure that you know: two wrongs don't make a right. You know that. I know that. Even the garden gatepost knows that. But does the adult who felt it appropriate to call a 13 year old child a cunt and threaten to physically hurt her if they see her, know that? Or are they just as much of a bully as the OP's daughter? Worse than the child, in fact, because they are an adult, and a parent, and ought to know better...

I'm sorry if my post offended you. And I am incredibly sorry that your child was bullied to such an extent. When I was 14, I tried to kill myself to get away from my so-called "best friends" at school and their bullying (low-level, so that the teachers wouldn't pick up on it at school, then they'd step it up outside by turning up on my doorstep and saying that I'd invited them round - I was too terrified to say that I hadn't, that I wouldn't, what they were doing to me, until my oldest brother walked into my room one day and caught one of them trying to set my hair on fire as I tried to fend her off). I ended up in hospital overnight, and had a brisk chat from an Army doctor about how I really needed to "pull [myself] together and stop worrying my poor parents". That was a year before the incident with the lighter which my brother walked in on. I'm also in recovery for an eating disorder. I'm not sure if the behaviour/triggers for the ED ever go away fully, and I don't know if this will be any help to you, as a worried mum with a child still enduring what happened to her three years ago, but you're doing the right thing. Please believe me on that. From someone who has been both where your child was (albeit many moons ago), and where you are as a mother, you are doing the right thing. And one day, hopefully soon, it will get easier for your child. I'm sorry. Flowers

OP - the only thing I can suggest is that the next time she physically hurts, or threatens to hurt you and/or her sisters, dial 999. Children's Services will have to do something about the situation then. And your husband will have to stop enabling your daughter's behaviour... hopefully before it escalates. Because it will. You know it will. Your other children need you to step up and be a parent to them, as well as to their sister. My daughter was an adult when she was first arrested - and the police couldn't have been more helpful. They pushed for her to have MH intervention (our GP refused to help, even though I was showing her the bruises on my body and sobbing, begging for help... when my daughter was 14 or 15 years old, so I get the lack of comprehension when it comes to such things, in such quarters), because they could see I was at my wits' end with her behaviour/attitude/lying. Children's Services also were extremely helpful, and understood that my son was/is safe around her, as am I, as long as she takes her medication and remains on a stable playing field. As she's an adult, though, obviously I cannot enforce that. The last three times she's been arrested, however, have been because of her behaviour to other people outside of the immediate family. And because of this? She is at risk of being thrown off her uni course (not allowed to return for her 3rd year, which means she won't have a degree), and completely screwing up the future which she has always dreamed of. As her mother, I can't help but wonder if I'd dialled 999 a few years earlier, she would have received the help sooner, and not be in this situation of her own making.

But please take that parents actual threat (not simply felt, or thought, as Mother - and so many others, I'm sure - has admitted to experiencing) seriously. Yes, what your daughter has done (or admitted to doing, and I'm willing to bet - if she's anything like my daughter was/is - that there's an awful lot more which you don't yet know about) is disgusting, but adults cannot simply go around threatening to beat children up! Irregardless of what that child may or may not have done to that adult's child.

Feel free to PM me, though, if you want. Because being caught between a rock and a hard place is neither easy, nor fun, is it?

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DailyMailDontStealMyThread · 25/05/2017 00:16

Weekends are at home, DD goes out, so does her sisters, younger one in sight and safe and i do housework. TBH, I wouldn't want to take them out as a family, it's embarisng because of her outbursts and behaviour

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MotherOfBleach · 25/05/2017 00:19

Thank you, I'd just come back to the thread to apologise, actually as I felt I'd been harsh/dismissive of your struggle.

Bullying, naturally, is a bit of a hair trigger topic for me.

I have no experience of OOD but when DD was being bullied I logged all her social media in on my phone so I could supervise her online interactions in real time. Perhaps that could be a compromise?

I hope you and your daughter find the support you need. I mentioned SS because I know when DD first started with her ED their support was invaluable. They referred me to parenting classes that helped me differentiate the normal teen angst from the more insidious mental illness symptoms.

But as you realised, they have limited budgets and often discharge people before the issue solved.

If they didn't offer you parenting classes it might be worth chasing up.

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MotherOfBleach · 25/05/2017 00:27

X post contrary13

I'm sorry you were a victim of bullying. It's an awful, awful thing for any child to face.

DD is recovering slowly. I've since left employment and now work from home (for peanuts) I was working evenings and weekends, so she spent a lot of time alone. This, I'm sure, was a contributory factor to her illness. She's progressing slowly since I've been home more but we still have huge problems with school, eating and self esteem. The self harm and suicidal thoughts (touchwood) seem to be easing off.

She was sent home today after having panic attacks over the Manchester atrocity/online 'fake news' and conspiracy theories.

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Trifleorbust · 25/05/2017 05:37

This is a horrible situation, I feel for you, OP.

It sounds like part of the issue is that you and your DH aren't presenting a fully united front, part of it is related to your DD's mental health difficulties and part of it, sorry as I am to say it, is that you have been too lenient in the past.

I would suggest you and your DH try sitting her down and explaining that things are going to change. No more internet, no phone at all until she learns how to behave. Explain that you will report any further violent incidents to the police; she is not entitled to hurt you or her siblings.

Continue to seek help from agencies. This situation sounds like it is getting out of control.

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Alfieisnoisy · 25/05/2017 05:57

Oh my goodness, OP this sounds a terribly stressful and horrible situation.

I echo whoever suggested posting again in Special Needs or even asking if the thread can be moved to that topic. If you contact MNHQ they can do that for you.

I know one or two parents who have children with ODD along with autism and or ADHD. It's very very hard work and the support which you and they need is too sparse.


One of the things I would suggest is seeing if you and your DH can sit down with an independent mediator to discuss your differences in parenting your DD. This would be very useful as ideally you both need to be singing from the same hymn sheet when coping with your DD's more extreme behaviours. He needs to be backing you up and it would be interesting to know why he is not.

But more than anything Flowers for you as I know parenting a child with these issues is so so hard. It's not to do with parenting although support from your DH would help. It's to do with how your DD processes and sees the world around her. She doesn't experience it in the same way and responds erratically....so so hard for you.

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DailyMailDontStealMyThread · 25/05/2017 08:06

mother I've attended every parenting course I've been offered over the years which totals around 11 and I actually enjoy them because it's the only time I have space to talk about how it really is without being judged.

Last one was last year and that's the last time I went out in the evening!

I have the phone and hidden it. DD is searching for it and I'm repeating "I have it and we will talk after school" but I'm glad I have it. Thank you for all your help and I'm so sorry some of you are going through this on the other side .

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nocampinghere · 25/05/2017 11:05

well done
keep hold of that phone
phone the provider and get them to turn off 3G/4G temporarily.

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