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Grammar schools proposal so appalling that a cross-party alliance forms to fight them

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noblegiraffe · 19/03/2017 12:13

Former Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg (Lib Dem), former Education Secretary Nicky Morgan (Conservative) and former Shadow Education Secretary Lucy Powell (Labour) have written a joint piece for The Observer condemning the plans by Theresa May to open new selective schools.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/19/help-poorer-pupils-selection-social-mobility-education-brexit-grammar-schools

"The formation of their cross-party alliance against grammar school expansion, which is opposed by about 30 Tory MPs, spells yet more political trouble for May on the domestic front. Last week, chancellor Philip Hammond was forced by a revolt in his own party into a humiliating budget U-turn over national insurance rises for the self-employed, and Conservatives lined up to oppose planned cuts in school funding.

Launching their combined assault, and plans to work together over coming months, in an article in the Observer, Morgan, Powell and Clegg say the biggest challenges for a country facing Brexit, digitisation and changes to the nature of work, are to boost skills, narrow the attainment gap between disadvantaged children and their peers and boost social mobility. By picking a fight over plans to expand selection in schools, May will, they argue, sow division, divert resources away from where they are needed most and harm the causes she claims to be committed to advancing.

Before a debate in the Commons on social mobility this week, the three MPs say it is time to put aside political differences and fight instead for what is right. “We must rise to the challenge with a new national mission to boost education and social mobility for all,” they write. “That’s why we are putting aside what we disagree on, to come together and to build a cross-party consensus in favour of what works for our children – not what sounds good to politicians.”

www.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/18/cross-party-alliance-grammar-schools-theresa-may

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Peonyfan · 26/03/2017 19:11

No, I suggest you take your passive aggressive 'HTH' comments and note where my figure was from.

So rude...

Peonyfan · 26/03/2017 19:11

And again

Grammar schools proposal so appalling that a cross-party alliance forms to fight them
flyingwithwings · 26/03/2017 19:20

29.3% FSM is the average for any pupil who might have been eligible in the last 6 years , not the 'current' average of FSM %

I think looking at the DFE tables they are now using the six year average as opposed to the 'current' rate which they on previous DFE tables.

It seems the 'Kent' grammar average for FSM is 2.8% with 6.3% eligible for pupil premium. Non selective FSM 13.4% Pupil Premium eligible 26.9%

flyingwithwings · 26/03/2017 19:25

If you go back in to the archives to the 2014 DFE performance tables when it listed current as well as 6 year FSM average !

Tunbridge Wells Boys Grammar 2.7 %

MumTryingHerBest · 26/03/2017 19:27

flyingwithwings thanks for that info. I think you have a better grasp of the DfE tables than I do :-)

Peonyfan · 26/03/2017 19:30

I love how no one ever apologises on mumsnet Grin

flyingwithwings · 26/03/2017 19:41

Another thing Noble the Maths 'Genius' can confirm the current and six year averages seem to be either * 2.25 or divide 2.25 !

So 29.3 /2.25 = 13.02% the current average of FSM

Tunbridge Wells Boys 2.7 * 2.25 = 6.07 !

Hence times or divide by 2.25 gives an accurate FSM rate current and six year.

MumTryingHerBest · 26/03/2017 19:49

flyingwithwings :-)

HPFA · 26/03/2017 20:24

Meanwhile in actual grammars, comprehensives and secondary moderns this sort of thing is happening:

www.kentlive.news/sir-roger-manwood-s-school-will-make-pupils-pay-to-be-in-a-sports-team-because-of-disastrous-cuts/story-30227640-detail/story.html

goodbyestranger · 26/03/2017 20:35

Peony I eventually posted the percentage of secondary school aged DC claiming FSM well over a full two days ago (just over 13%) but stuff like that falls on deaf ears. There's just no point - no context is ever taken into account, the record just repeats over and over and over again.

goodbyestranger · 26/03/2017 20:36

Usually with italics chucked in.

portico · 26/03/2017 21:19

Noblegiraffe

One more question on the Ed Excel maths GCSE 9-1 paper, please. Was the Nov 2016 secure mock harder than the specimen papers, listed on the Ed Excel website. I am just trying to get overall context on rigour of question types

noblegiraffe · 26/03/2017 22:01

I don't know about secure mock versus specimen, it's difficult to say how hard anything is until the DC have actually sat it - that's why grade boundaries aren't decided until after the results are in.

As a general observation from previous exam changes, the real thing is usually easier than the specimens, but tbh no one knows - Ofqual throwing out previous Sample Assessment Materials for being too hard could have thrown things off.

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MumTryingHerBest · 26/03/2017 22:06

goodbyestranger - Peony I eventually posted the percentage of secondary school aged DC claiming FSM well over a full two days ago.

Good point, why didn't you bother to read the other posts on this thread?

goodbyestranger · 26/03/2017 22:10

Who is that addressed to Mum?

flyingwithwings · 26/03/2017 22:25

So if a child gets attains 11 grade 9s in their GCSEs , they should be educated in a 'SUPER SELECTIVE' than Noble...

MumTryingHerBest · 26/03/2017 22:29

flyingwithwings So if a child gets attains 11 grade 9s in their GCSEs , they should be educated in a 'SUPER SELECTIVE' than Noble...

the only people who would make that claim would be pro-grammars, surely?

noblegiraffe · 26/03/2017 22:36

So if a child gets attains 11 grade 9s in their GCSEs

I can't follow the conversation here, why is this aimed at me?

According to my other thread, this would be max 2 kids in the country so they would get a bit lonely.

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flyingwithwings · 26/03/2017 22:44

I was just musing after reading your thread Noble !

I think even the most pro Comp posters would have accept the '2' in the country are off the scale !

HPFA · 27/03/2017 07:45

Here's my predictions:

  1. The two kids come from independents - proving the need for more grammars

  2. The two kids come from grammars - proving the need for more grammars.

  3. The two kids come from comprehensives - however they will undoubtedly be too leafy, or faith schools, or both and the kids must have had loads of private tutoring thus also proving the need for more grammars.

Personally, my bet is they will come from Westminster or Brighton College.

portico · 27/03/2017 07:51

HPFA, I bet one if them will be a 12 year old prodigy from Pontefract.

BertrandRussell · 27/03/2017 08:31

Don't forget 4)The two will come from ordinary comprehensive schools, so must have had lots of tutoring so obviously we need more grammar schools

goodbyestranger · 27/03/2017 08:32

Well let's hope they're not home educated.....

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