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Sixth form boarding school for anxious expat?

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dauntlesscrusader · 10/03/2017 11:20

Any suggestions for a nurturing, supportive – and probably co-ed – boarding school for sixth form? DD is a study in contrasts -- intellectually curious and strong academically but in need of support (anxiety); shy but strong-minded and not easily led; musical and athletic, but plagued by self-doubt. If she were feeling more confident, I think Atlantic College would be a good fit.

I think she needs someplace where the emphasis is on the development of the whole student, that isn't packed with the hyper-confident or a particular "type" of person; where school is supposed to be stimulating and the students are interested in learning but where individual student goals are wider than Oxbridge entrance. Does such a school exist? There isn't much choice where we live, and she doesn't want to continue where she is.

She would be a full boarder, but has grandparents and sister in London, so could do weekly boarding if not too far.

My current list (assuming at least a few still have room for next year) is:

  • Bedales ( "head, hand and heart" is perfect, but is it too North London trendy?)
  • Bede's (same question)
  • King's Canterbury
  • Malvern College
  • Oakham
  • Oundle
  • Rugby
  • St Christopher's Letchworth (but is it too unstructured?)
  • Sevenoaks
  • Uppingham
  • Westonbirt

Am I missing anything? Should I take any of these off the list?

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SarahBernhardtFan · 11/03/2017 22:58

Still Happy I don't subscribe to your generalisation

happygardening · 11/03/2017 23:41

Ok I'll be a bit more specific. At an improving pastoral care at boarding schools study day I am once attended there were staff from big name X Y Z , not so big names J K L and non big name A B C when we all sat around comparing notes (as you do at these kind of things), it became pretty obvious that all were very committed to high standards of pastoral care, this is what parents want and expect regardless of what they're paying. None said or implied they couldn't care less about their pupils although some definitely had more of what I'll call a man up culture than others. It also became pretty obvious that wealthy big name schools were in general able to employ more teaching and non teaching staff often with specific pastoral roles, e.g. a senior member of the teaching staff whose main role is to be responsible for pastoral care, three or four counsellors, therapists, residential matrons, specially trained nurses (on duty 24/7) etc and that schools who weren't as wealthy were simply not able to do this. Also as I said above in many schools particularly smaller schools who aren't as wealthy as the big names and may have less staff HM's will also have a full teaching commitment. Providing high standards of pastoral care is time consuming and also it can be even emotionally draining, and I know from working with my teaching colleagues that if you've been up all night with a suicidal pupil you struggle to skip off to teaching your morning math class. It's quite simple big wealthy schools with matching fess have the money to pay more staff.
I'm not saying small non big name schools with low fees offer crap pastoral care but contrary to what many think on here big names wealthy schools are able offer excellent pastoral care.
OP you need to look at each school individually.

chatnanny · 12/03/2017 09:03

Just a method suggestion. E.g. With our dyslexic son who was going to board from overseas at 13 we made a chart with all the factors we wanted to consider, distance from home and airport, weekend arrangements in school, number of exeats, sport, art, pastoral care, dyslexic provision (we found many schools gave lip service but didn't care about it really). The list was different according to each of our children's needs. We then accorded each topic a category according to its importance so being near an airport was A for us. And then each thing got marks. We are not very mathematical but having some way of quantifying was very helpful. At 16 your child
will also have strong views which you should
listen to, even if they're a bit daft, our DD didn't like the long skirts at one school and did like the uniform at another! But they will
get a feeling. DD really liked Wellington for 16+ especially the choir but was put off by the entrance exam and its reputation for the girls being ranked 1-10 and it being full of petite blonde sloanes.

GrassWillBeGreener · 12/03/2017 09:22

I've no idea how they would be for 6th form spaces but I'd suggest Cheltenham College may tick a lot of boxes on your list. A bit further from London but certainly has expats/overseas students / London families and I think decent numbers in every weekend.

Good luck in your search and I hope you find a good fit for your daughter.

bojorojo · 12/03/2017 09:28

Regarding the query about Kingham, I believe it takes quite a high proportion of lower achieving children and prides itself on a slower pace. Therefore academic children just don't go there. If your child needs a slower pace, then it is a good choice. If not, they could be bored.

CruCru · 12/03/2017 09:48

I am not sure whether this is helpful or not but the Good Schools Guide produces a guide specifically for boarding schools. However, you may already have enough to think about.

dauntlesscrusader · 12/03/2017 14:50

This has given me a lot to think about. Thank you, everyone, for the suggestions!

Regarding why she won’t sit exams for something she wants – sadly, that’s a defining characteristic of perfectionists (I don’t much like labels, but this one fits).

Regarding the larger, big name schools vs the smaller and less known, the support and pastoral care at some of the names look amazing, but even if they still have space, I’m not sure they’d take her. Two years ago, DD would have been a strong candidate –- but that was before the self-doubt became so prominent. Now, she won’t do anything to sell herself, so we need to find someplace that will take her on potential (assessments put her into the “gifted” group) rather than current performance, and, ideally, a school that offers an intellectually stimulating environment but where the emphasis is on more than academics. An element of fun would be good too!

I’ve started looking at more websites and some of the suggested schools sound promising, so will draft a new list and start calling around next week.

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Dancingdreamer · 12/03/2017 15:41

Marlborough definitely have entrance exams as does Rugby I believe. I think you have to be relatively tough to enjoy Marlborough. If you are then you will have a fabulous time.

happygardening · 12/03/2017 16:10

Uppingham state on their website that they Pre test for 6th form entry I suspect most schools similar to Uppingham will do the same. Many of those you mentioned will take new pupils into their 6th form often from abroad with high grades at (I)GCSE ; As and A*'s to improve their results. Often grades stated on websites are the minimum requirement and entry can be very competitive.
If your looking for a place for this September then you're going to have to start ringing around as I think you'll find many have already offered all their places.

PassTheCremeEggs · 12/03/2017 16:30

King's Canterbury is a great school. Boarders are full boarders and are the majority with a small minority day pupils. Lots of ex pat children who fly all over the world to go home in holidays. Problem for you is there is a competitive entrance exam for sixth form entry

poppy7019 · 12/03/2017 16:50

How about Rochester Independent College? Our daughter is there (not boarding), and she loves it. Great caring staff, and a good fit for kids who don't necessarily fit the 'normal' mold (DD is dyspraxic).
Small classes, informal atmosphere with no uniform, a slightly hippy vibe (!), but work is taken seriously. They get very good results without piling on the pressure like some schools do. Best of all - no entrance exam!

MollyHuaCha · 12/03/2017 16:55

My own children and others I know are at these schools and all are v happy with them - academic, co-curricular, social, pastoral, so can recommend (they are in alphabetical order):

Abbots Bromley
Abbotsholme
Abingdon
Cheltenham
Fettes
Pangbourne
Radley
Repton
Sevenoaks
Shrewsbury
Uppingham

I can't share my 'don't recommend' list as that wouldn't be fair as they might be based on individual grievances. But I would say, schools can change with fresh head, new staff, so any recommendation/non-recommendation should be viewed in this light. Enjoy choosing!

VanillaSugar · 12/03/2017 17:04

I second the PP who said that schools may already be full. Places are given out in January and we are now nearing the middle of March. You may be limited to which school still has places available.

derektheladyhamster · 12/03/2017 17:06

I hope you find a suitable school for her,
I love happygardening's comment about the teaching hours. In fact I think it should be a question asked by parents when visiting a school. Some of the teachers I know have had a ridiculous number of teaching hours. They really struggle to run a House too.

daisypond · 12/03/2017 17:08

Another vote for Bootham in York. A friend's child was transformed by their time there.

Brazilfairy · 12/03/2017 17:23

How about Gordonstoun? Not many people know that it is the birthplace of the Duke of Edinburgh's Award. The Week magazine voted it best for 'All Rounders' in their Autumn edition of the independent school's guide. It is also the founding member of the Round Square group of schools which all share the same holistic approach to educating students as a whole. Have heard that it is really strong pastorally. Also heard that they have a healthy mix of nationalities. Altlantic World College ethos was based on Gordonstoun's as both schools share the same founder (Kurt Hahn). Hence their emphasis on service to the community, outdoor education, sailing and of course strong academics.

happygardening · 12/03/2017 18:12

"My own children and others I know are at these schools and all are v happy with them - academic, co-curricular, social, pastoral, so can recommend"I know personally and professionally parents and children at most of these and I know most are very happy with the school and pastoral care in particular a few are not happy with the pastoral care. Ditto DS2's school.
At very school you'll find parents who are delighted with their choice and absolutely believe in what the school offers a few who will cheerful regale you with their personal horror story be poor teaching/inadequate pastoral care/too pushy/not pushy enough etc.
Pastoral care is complicated its very personal and a child/parents experience will be very much affected by the individuals they meet, how you get in with them and if you are coning at the problem from the same place. Parents do need to remember that boarding schools/staff have a duty of care not only of an individual child but also to all the children in a house/the school. IME parents can get frustrated when schools send home children who are have depression/high levels of anxiety/ significant OCD, eating disorders or are claiming they're suicidal and can accuse a school of over reacting or not caring. But its not that the school dont care but teachers are not mental health specialists, boarding schools are exactly that not branches of CAMHs therefore cannot offer the required level supervision and expertise that these conditions can require and as I said they do have to think about the other pupils in the school, for example a suicide in a boarding house will have very serious long term implications for the other pupils. As Derek says HMs also often have a significant teaching responsibility as well and really struggle to b available for struggling unhappy individual children and their parents 24/7 day in day out. This is why IMO if very high pastoral care is essential do enquire into the existence of residential matrons in a boarding house, counsellors (which should be free) therapists and trained and knowledgable staff in the school medical centre 24/7.

twobarnsmammisonthebus · 12/03/2017 18:41

Another vote for one of the Quaker Schools - Leighton Park.

Bashstreetmum · 12/03/2017 18:47

TBH I think you need to question your decision about boarding for an expat child who appears quite vulnerable. Things may escalate for them if they are away from their family. I would agree with HG that pastoral care is important and that you should check to see if there is a full time child/adolescent counsellor on site and not just one that schools contact if there is a problem. I believe all schools and especially boarding schools should have this provision. And yes free of charge. Also it is not easy to send a child home to their parents in another country and its unfair on extended family to assume responsibility for this. I would advise you think this through. Exam anxiety and perfectionism now may develop into something else later and schools are often too busy to notice until the issue becomes more pronounced by which time it's usually quite critical.

bettys · 12/03/2017 19:13

If you're looking at ACS Cobham, then look at Reed's also in Cobham. It's a boy's school but with a co-ed sixth form. Close enough to London to be a weekly boarder, very good for music and drama with a strong pastoral side.

Bombaybunty · 12/03/2017 19:24

St John's, Leatherhead? Excellent pastoral care.
Not full boarding, weekly only with very easy access to London. Station is 10 mins walk with a good train service.

happygardening · 12/03/2017 19:52

I worked in a couple of big primarily full boarding schools neither had counsellors available all day everyday. That's why specially trained staff in medical centres are very important and I personally think residential matrons can be invaluable. Many of the matrons I worked with were excellent often older women caring and very experienced of adolescents and had attended very well designed courses in counselling:/pastoral care.
I do agree with bashatreeum boarding is not always a great option for a "vulnerable" child. I think you do have to be quite robust, even so called non selective schools want children to get better results than they would in the state sector otherwise how can they justify their fees? I've known many 6th formers at a variety of school become very anxious it doesn't matter how selective or not you are if your pressurising an B grade student to get an A or. d grade student to get a C it's still pressurising children and vulnerable children may struggle and if boarding can't escape very easily.

Dancingdreamer · 12/03/2017 22:19

I think In your situation I would also look at one of the Quaker schools. We recently considered one for our DS. I loved the ethos especially the quiet reflection time which can be like a form of meditation: very calming and balancing.

Sansculottes · 13/03/2017 12:03

I think Friends School Saffron Walden does boarding? Don't know much about it but might be worth casting an eye over

Needmoresleep · 13/03/2017 12:57

Have a look at Mayfield. It has a bigger sixth form taking in students from a good mix of countries, and who will help tick the 'full boarding' box, as well as bright day girls who help ensure a good academic range. Lots going on at a high standard including pottery, equestrian and singing.

I disagree with Happy Gardening. Schools which focus on academics can be difficult for the less hardy, as girls, especially those where there is a lot of parental focus on achievement, can get competitive. Better to find a school that values other achievement, or simply 'having a go' or contributing.

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