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Deputy Head tore up DD's personal diary

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LoveBox · 04/05/2012 18:37

DD2 is in Yr11 at a lovely all-girls state school. She is the Head Girl and has always been highly regarded by her teachers. She has a lovely group of 5 best friends, one of whom sadly lost her mum in Yr 7. These friends are all similar to DD2 - slightly 'swotty', 'teachers-pet' type girls. I think the world of them all, especially the girl that lost her mum (lets call her A).

DD has been saying for a while how A has been having a hard time at school, being 'bullied' by the cool, popular girls. Name calling, jibes about weight, being mean about A's Dad, pretty nasty stuff. Seems to happen particularly in maths, where A is in a lower group with the 'popular' girls, so DD and A have seen the maths teacher on a number of occasions about it, and the maths teachers' attitude has always been "Oh, you're Yr 11, you're out of here in no time, just ignore it". Nothing has been done.

A few weeks back, the popular girls started to befriend A and invited her on some of their 'nights out'. A accepted, and last weekend had unprotected sex with a boy from the boys school down the road Sad. Since then, the popular girls have completely turned their backs on A, calling her a Slag and a Slut, and after school on Tuesday, got the whole top floor of the bus home to sing a song they had made up about her.

DD and A came her after school on tuesday, after being on the bus, and A was in tears. Hysterical. They went up to DD's room and within a few hours there was laughter again. Turns out, DD had helped A make up her own song and some limericks about the popular group, and they had written these in DD's personal diary.

Wednesday at school, DD brought her diary in, and they showed the other 4 girls in their group the song and limericks. One of these girls told the popular girls about this, and the popular girl told the Deputy Head. On thursday, Deputy Head called DD in to his office, demanding to see her diary. DD said she didnt have it on her (she didn't, she only brought it in on wednesday. it usually lives under her pillow), and he asked her to bring it in on Friday. DD explained it was her PERSONAL diary, and that A had been bullied for some time, and so DD and A had used the diary to help 'vent' their feelings. She admitted to writing rude songs/poems about them, but said this was in retailation to the 'bus' incident. Deputy said tough, he wanted to see it.

After school, DD went to WHSmiths and bought a matching diary, and wrote stuff in it, so she could bring this one in instead, as she didn't want to bring her real diary in, for fear of getting in further trouble. She made up slightly less rude limericks and songs )and also included some fake entires about her weight, boys etc, to mimic her real diary, so the Deputy Head wouldn't suspect it was a decoy copy..

She bought this in for the Deputy Head today, and he read it (reading some extracts aloud apparently) and then tore each page out and threw it in the bin. He told her she was a 'nasty little girl' and that noneone likes people who bitch behind others backs and don't have the guts to say it to their face. He sent her out of his office, and said nothing further would be done.

She has come home and told me everything. I have never seen her so upset or distressed. I know she was wrong in writing nasty things about the group of girls, but to me, Deputy Head's actions are crazily out of proportion. You don't tear up a 16 year old's diary. DD won't let me say anything to school, she says she is out of there in June anyway and doesn't want to make a fuss.

But I'm so angry - am I right to be? WWYD?

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LoveBox · 04/05/2012 18:38

Oh Jeez, thats so long! If you got that far, thanks.

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VivaLeBeaver · 04/05/2012 18:46

I would be furious, totally furious. I'd be seeing the head.

I don't think your dd and and A were wrong for making up some of their own limericks, etc. Bringing the diary into school to show others the limericks probably wasn't on. However the teacher should have taken the mitigating circumstances of previous nastiness towards A into account.

His insistence on seeing the diary was wrong. He'd have been better just saying I've heard you've written xyz and given her a telling off for that. Ripping up her personal property is way OTT. And calling her nasty, etc. Well he comes across as a bully himself.

fivegomadindorset · 04/05/2012 18:50

I would be writing to Chair of Governors and the LEA.

LynetteScavo · 04/05/2012 18:50

OMG Shock

I would so be in that DH's office........Angry Angry Angry

LoveBox · 04/05/2012 18:52

The Head Teacher thinks the world of DD (has told me so on a number of occasions), but Deputy Head is the one the troublesome kids get sent to when they are removed from class, apparently they sit in his office and he gives them a kitkat and a diet coke while they calm down. DD said the main bully spends a lot of time in his office, and she is his 'special pet' so to speak, so I can see why he did this (sort of? Confused). I don't think the Head would have had a clue about the whole thing at all, but DD says nothing would be achieved by telling her (The head).

Totally acknowledge DD shouldn't have brought the diary in, and have said as much to her.

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urbanturban · 04/05/2012 18:54

I'm with viva (and presumably you) on this one, I would be making an appointment with the school first thing Monday morning and addressing this with thd teacher in question.
And as an aside, I would be very proud that your kind, empathetic DD seems so mature (though I agree she probably shouldn't have actually taken the diary in to school) and that she was so resourceful as to buy an identical one.....Grin

Going in 'all guns blazing' is probably too strong but I WOULD be stressing that this was a completely inappropriate course of action for a grown man to take, as well as an infringement on her right to privacy.

VivaLeBeaver · 04/05/2012 18:54

Yes your dd is leaving in June. But a bullying deputy head is staying. I can see why she doesn't want you to go in but I think I would anyway!

VivaLeBeaver · 04/05/2012 18:56

It's a shame she didn't tell you before she bought a fake diary. If my dd had told me at this point I'd have been ringing the school up and explaining loud and clear why she would not be bringing a diary in.

Did he read other stuff in her diary, the fake entries about boyfriends and stuff?

fridayfreedom · 04/05/2012 18:56

Agree with Vivalabeaver.
I would be in school tmorrow and insist that the ' populars ' were called in to talk about what went on before!!
In my experience those kind of pupils think that their popularity gives them the go-ahead to do what they want!!
I wouldn't move until all the truth came out!!
Would be checking in with A's Dad as well, she needs to get checked after the unprotected sex.

VivaLeBeaver · 04/05/2012 19:00

Yes, that's a good point.

Can you talk to A about going on the depo, pill, etc and using condoms? Someone needs to have a chat with her.

EdithWeston · 04/05/2012 19:01

Two wrongs don't make a right. So regardless of why they were making up limericks (and the school does sound inadequate in dealing with bullying), they should not have had them in school.

But the diary should not have been damaged. Confiscated and returned at the end of the day would be an appropriate course. The school should pay for a replacement.

LoveBox · 04/05/2012 19:03

DD and A are both here, and so SO adamant nothing further is done. DD didn't mention that the reason A was bullied was due to having sex, and they are terrified A will get in trouble. I have spoken to A about the sex, DD had already taken her to get the morning after pill to be safe, and I have told A of the need to get tested.

I am so raging angry at the moment, so I'm actually going to try and step away from mumsnet for tonight, as I think it would be good for us (A and DD are having sleepover here tonight) to forget about it, and have a lovely bank holiday weekend. I have said we will (the three of us) discuss on monday night when things have calmed down what course of action we would take for Tuesday.

Thanks so much those that have posted, will share this thread with A and DD on Monday night.

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thefirstmrsrochester · 04/05/2012 19:05

Agree with everything posted so far! It doesn't matter that your dd leaves in june, the head teacher needs to be pulled up. The lesson the 'popular' kids are getting from this is that they can do what they damn well please and thus their egos get bigger.
What in gods name gives the head the right to insist on seeing your dd's personal diary anyway?
Make the call op!

SauvignonBlanche · 04/05/2012 19:08

I think y ou should speak to the Head, the Deputy has treated your DD with no respect at all.

Annunziata · 04/05/2012 19:10

Your DD should not have taken that diary in in the first place (but I guess she knows that).

I'd really be questioning if the deputy head had any right to demand that she brought it in again. I'd also be wary about the whole 'special pet' issue, that has set alarm bells off in my head.

LeeCoakley · 04/05/2012 19:11

What a horrible situation. The DH completely out of order. How can they help with the bullying when the DH is a bully himself? I'm sure your dd and A would have been in MORE trouble had they said the stuff to the bullies face to face. What a stupid thing for him to say. The HT needs to be involved. Personal property has been destroyed. Keep quiet about the fake, the DH sounds like he would go mad if he thought your dd had got one over him. Good luck.

VivaLeBeaver · 04/05/2012 19:12

Yes I suppose the problem is that your dd has trusted you and if you then do something she doesn't want you to she may not share in the future. So I can see why you need to get her to agree, and A, before you can do anything.

defineme · 04/05/2012 19:18

My sympathies to A and DD. They are out of there soon and I understand it's mortifying, but I've seen this kind of thing before-troublesome kids get away with stuff so that dh has quiet life. Very unusual that he took it so far as diary shredding-quite creepy and suggestive that he has a twisted relationship with the other girls.
Can't emphasize enough how much I think the Head needs to know about this. Write a letter if it's too much for the girls to see you going in.

bleedingheart · 04/05/2012 19:19

He had no right to make her bring it in and then read it. I'm afraid alarm bells went off for me too. What did he think might have been said about his pet? I do wonder if some people remember what it is like to be a teenager? He has handled this so badly. The Head deserves to know what the Deputy is up to.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 04/05/2012 19:21

Beyond belief!

Your DD sounds lovely, mature & sensible - I would be very proud if she was my DD but I would emphasis that it would have been better for her to have discussed this with me before taking in 'her' diary and explain that there are limits on how much you have to comply with authorithy and this over stepped the boundary by a long shot. He had no right to insist she brought her private diary in, none at all. Ripping it up just goes yet another step further...

I would respect your DD & A's wishes that this goes no further on the single condition that once they have left the school you can go in and discuss it with the Head. This Deputy Head needs removing retraining - his reaction is completely and utterly unacceptable. His 'treating' the 'naughty' girls with coke & a kit kat is wrong & inappropriate.

For the sake of other younger girls this needs sorting out :(

LoveBoxDD - you sound lovely, very mature, caring and a delight. It sounds like you have a great relationship with your Mum, trust her a tiny bit more and let her know about things a bit earlier - some of this could have been avoided. Do not let anyone bully you - no matter what their 'position' is. The guy is an arse and should not be permitted to stay in his position - he could do a lot of damage. Good Luck with whatever you are going to do when you finish shool!! Enjoy it.

A - I am so very sorry that you have lost your Mum :( It's really not fair. LoveBox (bloody didgy name isn't it :)!!) thinks the world of you, I know she will never replace your Mum, but she could be a very very lovely Aunt/Friend if you let her (you may already?!). The bullying that has gone on since (maybe even before?) your Mum died is beyond disgusting. The 'popular' girls sound like a nasty bunch - they often are :( Trust your real friends. Having sex with a random lad is never the answer - but it's not the end of the world either. Get tested, learn from this and don't ever let another guy use you, to try to make yourself feel better (it doesn't really work does it :( ). You have had a terrrible time, but don't let it define you. Good Luck with whatever you have chosen to do when you have finished school!

SauvignonBlanche · 04/05/2012 19:26

In case your DD does end up reading this...
Firstly, well done for having the foresight and patience to construct an alternative diary.
Secondly, you have been treated appallingly and whilst I see why you don't wish to rock the boat just before you leave, I'm sure you wouldn't wish any other girl to be treated this way.
You sound like a lovely friend.

tropicalfish · 04/05/2012 19:30

perhaps the dh is privy to some confidence that the popular girl has told him ( or made up) and so he is biased. I expect men dont understand the personal diary concept., the closest theyve ever got to it is keeping the scores of their favourite footballers in a spreadsheet!
Your dd has behaved very well and I feel very sorry for A for not having a mother to guide her.

LeeCoakley · 04/05/2012 19:31

Oh chipping that's a lovely post!

BertieBotts · 04/05/2012 19:36

Aww, chipping, you're so sweet Grin

Kez100 · 04/05/2012 19:38

Head and if still unhappy COG and LEA. Even use parent view on Ofsted.

If they had done their job it would never have got to this and the DH had NO right to call in her personal diary. What a nasty piece of work.