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my son is going to the local bog standard comp

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southeastastra · 03/03/2012 21:46

is yours? club

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bibbityisaporker · 06/03/2012 16:36

OK, found them now Blush thank you Dilys.

So, what do you think are the pertinent stats when comparing school with school? They are all comprehensives around here, but have very different intakes due to catchment/house prices.

How can I compare like with like?

TalkinPeace2 · 06/03/2012 16:50

bibbity
its tricky
Because of Bliar's darned "parental choice" - it causes schools to spiral up and down
I guess you have to combine the stats with what they put on their own websites with the 'feel' you get if you sit outside the school gate at kicking out time (definitely DHs acid test!)

bibbityisaporker · 06/03/2012 17:18

Oh don't I know it Grin.

No, I'm only curious because dd has been offered a school I like, to start this year, and I wanted to compare it to the two above it on our list that she didn't get a place at.

The headline 5 GCSEs including maths and English are all similar (60% - 67%) but I don't really understand what the three subgroups mean and, also, how are the stats affected if a school has a higher percentage of children with English not as their first language and on free school meals?

OhDearConfused · 07/03/2012 09:11

ACtually, what I then found were that when you look at the 5GCSEs (inc Maths and English) of all the comps in my area (south London), Lambeth Academy, Kingsdale, Dunraven, and the rest, they were all pretty much the same - all above 95% - and comparable to the partially selective Graveney (96%), so really only a handfull at most fail to get those 5 in each of the higher sets of those schools.

But of course a child getting 5 Cs is in that %age as is a child getting 5A* - and so looking at the percentage is not really enough. You also need to look at the
"average point score" (which seems to take the best 8 GCCEs of the higher set). Then you do get a stark difference: that figure for Graveney is 409, whilst for Lambeth Academy it is 375, for Kingsdale it is 393, and for Dunravern it is 385.

Not sure what this proves though. Except that perhaps only for my area it is not the case that the top set in a BSC get the same results in a selective school (one can assume that the "high" achievers in Graveney were all there through the selective entry route). But is the difference enough to warrant all the stress and hassle and tutoring to get into something like this. (For Tiffin, however, the average point score is a mind-blowing 440!)

bibbityisaporker · 07/03/2012 09:18

Now I'm utterly confused! When I look at the Kingsdale headline it says 60% to me, not 95%. Where does your 95% come from?

DilysPrice · 07/03/2012 09:44

95% will be 5 GCSEs - 60% will be 5 including Maths & English which is far more challenging.

bibbityisaporker · 07/03/2012 09:49

Thanks Dilys,
but OhDearConfused said "when you look at the 5GCSEs (inc Maths and English) of all the comps in my area (south London), Lambeth Academy, Kingsdale, Dunraven, and the rest, they were all pretty much the same - all above 95%".

DilysPrice · 07/03/2012 10:02

Oh, oops sorry, missed that

OhDearConfused · 07/03/2012 10:10

I was looking not at the whole year figures but the "highest" achiever figures. 60% is for the whole KS4 year group, whilst 100% are for the "high attainers" sub-section of that. See www.education.gov.uk/cgi-bin/schools/performance/school.pl?urn=100844. (there were a couple of errors in my post above, the haste of quickly checking figures and I may have taken the wrong one here or there as for Kingsdale, but I think the point remains).

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