Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

my son is going to the local bog standard comp

184 replies

southeastastra · 03/03/2012 21:46

is yours? club

OP posts:
imnotmymum · 06/03/2012 08:10

Gloating mrswoodentop I think she was saying it ok to go to the local comp let's all celebrate that fact and do not be "sad". Sad ... OK as I said we have an excellent school so maybe I do not understand but I know that all my kids would do well at any school as they have intrinsic work ethic and support from family ! And quite frankly I would sooner spend our hard earned cash on family times and times together

rubyrubyruby · 06/03/2012 08:16

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

mrswoodentop · 06/03/2012 08:17

I am not saying the OP meant to gloat but to be honest some of the posts on here are a bit gloating even if they don't mean to be.There are one or two implying that people are only unhappy because they want selective or private but actually lots just don't have the option of BSC even though that is what they want and that is hardly their fault.

imnotmymum · 06/03/2012 08:20

I am at a loss that we have so little faith in our children. There are children failing at good schools and thriving at those deemed not good - all this sadness about a school surely going to rub off on child and become a self-fulfilling prophecy "If he had got in at x ..." Have faith

Sparklingbrook · 06/03/2012 08:25

I am just at a loss full stop. I am just off to drop DS1 at the local comp. I am sorry if that upsets anyone. Sad

GrimmaTheNome · 06/03/2012 08:25

It must be horrible when you don't get a decent place at all. If successive governments had put effort into improving all comps (and sec mods, I'm not anti GS) instead of promoting spurious 'choices' then surely this problem wouldn't be so bad.

It seems to me that its an issue that mostly affects London and its environs where 'choices' are theoretically available in a way it doesn't affect smaller towns/rural areas where its BSC or nowt.

rubyrubyruby · 06/03/2012 08:30

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

seeker · 06/03/2012 08:58

95.6% of children got a place at one of their top 3 choices. So this thread is about a "club" that nearly 96% of the population are automatically members of! Not particularly exclusive.

flapperghasted · 06/03/2012 09:02

I was loving the positives coming out of this thread, having seen so many threads on MN that made me sad to be sending my dd to our local comp. We, theoretically, could have sent dd through private education, but we'd have been seriously skint and I'd have had to go back to a job I hated instead of taking on a more socially responisble, poorly paid job.

The primary schools around here are lovely but the comp is average with a very mixed intake. It has knife crime, drug use, some bullying, but the Head deals with these issues effectively and the majority of parents I know who have kids here are happy with the way things are dealt with.

I went to an innercity comp with very little going for it back in the 70's. It became an Academy some years ago and recently merged with another failing secondary school. It is failing to reach the ground floor minimum attainments in some areas and though it's making improvements with teaching and behavioural management and I suspect it's worse now than it was then (and it was pretty grim back then!) It's very much the kind of school that would worry you sick if it was your local BScomp. And on a socio-economic footing I can't imagine many folks living around there who could contemplate private education under any circumstances, no matter how sensitive or bored their children are.

Education, like social standing, is a lottery. You get born into an area or a life and you have to make the most of what you've got. Hearing some people say how well their kids have done at a struggling comp is news to be celebrated. I really don't see how it's smug to say that. I think it highlights that with the right support and the right attitude, your kids can do what they want to. Thanks OP for starting this thread.

bibbityisaporker · 06/03/2012 09:41

I think you have completely misunderstood the op's intention in starting this thread Mrs Woodentop.

Mumsnet is full to the brim with threads about independent schools, grammar schools, prep schools.

A lot of us have just received our secondary school offers and a lot of us having children going to either the local bsc or the local secondary modern school. This was meant to be a thread about the "ordinary" or average folk of Mumsnet to all meet up and say, "hey, yes, my child is going to the local bsc, and I am happy enough with that".

Of course we all know that in some boroughs people are "lucky" to be offered a place at any of their preferred schools. That is dreadful for them, the system is deeply flawed and the country as a whole is experiencing a population boom atm.

But, whilst acknowledging how deeply unfair all that is, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why this thread should not have been started and you are definitely being deeply oversensitive.

In my borough only 55% of children were offered a place at one of their top 3 preferences and that definitely is NOT good enough.

mayslipsremoded · 06/03/2012 10:16

People whose children will go to their nearest comprehensive school (for whatever reason, but for the vast majority of people because finances or their child's ability means it's their only option anyway), and who end up having happy children and no problems, don't need threads on here about getting into alternative types of school. So in a forum full of posts about choosing between private schools, and how to get into selective state schools, they appear to be in the minority, while actually being the silent majority.

It's not that you can't ever get more by paying (of course you often can), or that there aren't benefits to selective state schools for bright children - it's that the differences are nothing like as black and white as the number of private/selective school threads on this forum implies. Going to a comprehensive might not match everyone's ideal, but it's not a catastrophe either. This thread is good in redressing the balance a bit.

OrmIrian · 06/03/2012 11:04

"OK maybe I am supersensitive I just do think maybe starting this thread on the same day that many were feeling sad that they didn't get offered a place at their BSC did sound a little like gloating"

Oh I see what you mean. But I am sure it wasn't meant to upset. Sorry if you didn't get the place you wanted mrsw.

OrmIrian · 06/03/2012 11:08

I guess the timing was because school allocation is on everyone's minds atm.

TBH I am finding this thread really reassuring. MN can make you feel utterly inaqdequate if you aren't busting a gut to pay for private or to tutor your child to a standstill to get them into a grammar (assuming you have such a thing in your area). And then to feel like a failure if they aren't going to Oxbridge and becoming a barrister with aspirations to taking silk within a decade....

Arcticwaffle · 06/03/2012 11:33

I like threads that are positive about comps too. I have a lot of faith in bog standard comps, I went to one and my school friends and I mostly went on to top universities to do well-regarded degrees so I do know that it is perfectly possible to achieve well in a normal comp.

Now my 12yo is at our local bog standard comp (which does not look great in the league tables), yesterday morning I told her it was time to go to school and she let out a little cheer of enthusiasm, which I fonnd quite heartening on a gloomy March Monday morning. She's very happy at the comp, and my 10yo is desperate to go there too.

OhDearConfused · 06/03/2012 11:49

seeker (Mon 05-Mar-12 13:59:42)

"If you are going to compare, compare the grammar or private school with the top set of a comprehensive. The listed results show the entire cohort. Compare like with like and you will get a very different picture."

A good point, but does anyone know how you can check the top set of a comp?

seeker · 06/03/2012 12:01

Yep. Look at the league table entry for the school concerned. Look at the number of/ progress of/results of the high attainers.

Easy!

TalkinPeace2 · 06/03/2012 12:29

Agreed.
It is one of the (few) excellent things Gove has done.
Sorting league tables into expectation groups will allow parents to compare outcomes for THEIR child across a range of types of school.

A very long time ago I wrote to the BBC to ask them to compile a leage table limited to the top 60 in each year group at each school
as I was pretty sure that the Comps would come out pretty darned well against the rather expensive and stressful alternatives.
Funnily enough the comps had the data to hand, the indies were unwilling to share it!

I LOVE the fact that DD can do triple science, double maths etc etc
and have a CHOICE of faff subjects to lighten up her timetable a tad.

OhDearConfused · 06/03/2012 12:49

Sorry, seeker, am I being dense? When I look at the BBC site all I see is % getting A-C (or A-C good) of the school. Not the number getting it from the top set!?

seeker · 06/03/2012 12:52

Look here

If you find your school and scroll down there are stats for low, middle and high attainers

OhDearConfused · 06/03/2012 12:52

Ah, I think I found it. If you click on the school from within the table (which only shows the aggregate figures) then you get info on "low", "middle", and "high" attainers. Thanks!
ODC

boschy · 06/03/2012 13:09

I've been reading this thread with interest, with 2 DDs at a 'bog standard' secondary modern (grammar system here). In fact there is nothing bog standard about it all; they are happy and learning something every day and so are their peers. Our school's statistics would not impress some - under 50% 5 GCSE a-c inc english and maths - but our value added score WAY exceeds the local grammars. Plus specialisms in creative arts, a school farm, excellent results from top sets, vocational options for those who choose etc.

What schools achieve per pupil is all about the 'quality' (in academic terms) of their cohort. So clearly if you are a topnotch public school or a super selective grammar it's much less work to get good results. If your cohort consists of those with a much less academic bent then getting them to the magic 5 A-C at GCSE inc english and maths is a much bigger hill to climb. And dont start me on the ebacc....

I dont think either of mine are going to take silk; but I know they will get the results they need to move onto the next stage of whatever they choose. And at the same time they will also meet a huge range of different people from widely differing backgrounds, with widely differing parental expectations, at a formative stage of their lives. This can only be good cant it?

(And I say all that from the background that both DH and I went to private BS at 10 years old; neither of us got great results or went to Uni; both always worked; now both built own businesses).

bibbityisaporker · 06/03/2012 13:12

Just tried to look up a school my dd is on the waiting list for and there are no results on the tables - why would that be?

ragged · 06/03/2012 13:54

That's interesting, DC schools still come out a bit pants in Seeker's links (although not truly horrific, just hitting MN threshold of awful :) ).

bibbityisaporker · 06/03/2012 14:25

Any thoughts on why a particular school's results would not be on there ... anyone?

DilysPrice · 06/03/2012 15:13

Agree with seeker and talkin that the split by ability group is v enlightening. Also at the bottom of the page is the number of "GCSE equivalents" each group has been entered for and how many of them are actual GSCEs - a local comp was entering their top set for 19 equivalents each, which screamed to me of an attempt to rig the league tables.

If you can't find your school's results then it's probably changed to an academy recently - there should be a link at the top of the page to click through to the results under its old name.