Is participating in Mumsnet Feminist threads or Twitter women’s rights threads a Hate Crime?

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Just wondering if I need to delete accounts or stop participating. Not said anything hateful, but have liked comments that certain sensitive folk could perceive as being mean - mainly about keeping female sport for females, and not doing medical experiments on children. Also criticised Humza quite a few times, so that could land me in hot water. Does having GC books count as a hate crime?

Have just seen this posted on another thread -

'Police accused of attacking JK Rowling at a LGBT event' -

https://archive.is/7nJ74

It's just....jawdroppingly awful.

This is actually quite dystopian. If we say words out of our mouths we are strung up because we believe in biological reality? How the fuck have we got to this?

That’s frightening. Surely there are grounds for legal action on her part, especially if they’ve used quotes from things she actually posted?

As well as the JKR part, they seem to have already conveniently forgotten about Isla Bryson

I'm going to carry on anyway.
It's ridiculous, but I won't be silenced, and I'll never say a man is a woman.

Bloody hell, that's atrocious. The fucking POLICE. Madness.

It's actually even worse than that. Not even just words - The University of Edinburgh published a guide about microaggressions against transgender people which included 'avoidant behaviour', among other things. It's quite easy to see how women removing themselves from situations they are uncomfortable with (toilets, changing rooms, rape crisis group sessions) may find themselves targeted.

It's like Mao's Cultural Revolution, with children being encouraged to report on their parents 😡

Scotland my goodness it’s off the scale. How do you come back from this?

I fear the same here

I don't think there is any coming back for us. We're completely screwed.

This is it now, isn't it?

According to the BBC, at Scottish FMQs

• "Scottish Tory leader Douglas Ross challenged the first minister on the strength and legitimacy of the hate crime bill.
• He questioned whether a two-hour online training course on hate crime was enough for police to understand a “complex and controversial” piece of legislation.
• Ross said “innocent people will be prosecuted” by the act's impact on free speech and said the first minister was setting the police up for failure."

and that:
"Yousaf says there has been a lot of misinformation about the new laws.

The first minister says he has "absolute confidence" in how Police Scotland will handle the legislation."

If it does turn into a shit show (and it will, whatever Police Scotland do), I can't see the Tories, in Scotland and elsewhere and letting go of this absolute gift to them.

Good to see someone doing well out of it😃

Worth watching the head of Police Scotland getting questioned by a possibly a lawyer on Twitter . Specifically asked about how every hate crime can be investigated when there isn’t enough staff to investigate burglaries. Apparently they’ve hired 500 people to deal with hate crime reports.

https://x.com/frankleebrian/status/1770819286589690026?s=46&t=05yGEdd9Da70jO24KELKog

Well, they've mocked up the images. As this is print-on-demand, it remains to be seen how many they actually sell.

Set up a new account with a burner email.

If you're on Twitter/X, you can follow HateMonsterScotland (parody account, obv), ForWomenScotland, WomenWontWheesht, JK Rowling and others to keep up with developments. It's alarming.

Also, a super woman has sewn an actual Hate Monster muppet. It was covered in the Scottish Sun. Brilliant.

It’s all really sinister , to think of these NCHC start showing up on folks disclosure scotland PVG reports.
The thing is we all know it’s unworkable that’s why they are ‘ non crime ‘ but its the way that it’s being done to threaten anyway … to be intimidating women to stay quiet. “ shut up or I’ll get the police onto you “

because to have that threat , even when prosecution is pretty much unworkable is designed to be enough to silence .

it’s an appalling piece of legislation and the anger I hold for the SNP and Labour is enough to get me dobbed in I’m sure

There's a thread in FWR about a Tory MSP who's been reported to the police even before the new law comes into force and now has a non-crime hate incident on his record. He wasn't told, of course, he found out by chance. His view is that he is an elected politician expressing a political view and he is going to sue.

This is from the Daily Mail article about this. It's been reported elsewhere as well.

On November 18 last year, Mr Fraser shared a column written by Susan Dalgety for The Scotsman, which claimed the SNP Government’s non-binary equality action plan would lead to children being ‘damaged by this cult’. Commenting on the shared post, Mr Fraser said: ‘Choosing to identify as “non-binary” is as valid as choosing to identify as a cat. I’m not sure governments should be spending time on action plans for either.’ A member of the public reported the post to Police Scotland, claiming it constituted hatred against non-binary or transgender persons.

The polis are going to be very busy indeed if every single political view gets logged as a hate crime. Good luck getting any burglaries even logged, never mind solved, come April Fools' Day.

Any bets on how long before this new law is repealed or suspended for being unworkable?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5035721-an-msp-murdo-fraser-threatening-legal-action-against-police-scotland-after-his-twitterx-post-was-logged-as-a-hate-incident?reply=134026329

What the hell has happened to Scotland, a country of the enlightenment?

First the "named person for every child" - so sinister - then the GRA - also sinister - and now this - more sinister than anything.

Actually, wait, I know what happened to Scotland - the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon happened, with their demands to control everything and everyone.

The sooner this horrific bill is shown to be the nonsense that it is, the sooner it can get repealed. But it will cause much damage beforehand.

Both the "Named adult for every child" legislation and this new bill do the same thing - they allow the State to intrude into the home. Children or other family members will be able to report what people say in their own home for wrongthink. It's like the Cultural Revolution in China, or the Stasi in East Germany. It's what the Nazis did in Germany. It's literally that bad.

The entire reason they are getting away with this madness is they have told their terminally dim votes that they are oppressed by being in the union. The voters are too dim to understand the true financial implications of independence, believe they are actually being oppressed and vote for the SNP blindly, no matter what they say. The SNP asked their cult followers to vote Green as the list vote which they again did so SNP / Green got into power on the votes of the terminally dim, and their appalling policies are just not being questioned. There is no way out of their madness other than the collapse of devolution. I really hope the UKgovernment realises the danger this country is in and does just that. We are living in the most appallingly dangerous times. It’s so embarrassing that only the Tory MSPs are willing to defend the Scottish people against this sinister legislation.

To partly quote one of my poems from UTDOD 2,

'A nation previously known for its' intellectual ken,
'You'll have had your Enlightenment then?'

And Boiled, I think we'll need to do a special edition of UTDOD 3 just on this Bill!