Why can't we keep Scottish oil?

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I'll start off by saying I am against Scottish independence on economic grounds. Voted no in 2014 and haven't changed my mind. However I was out with a friend at the weekend who is for Scottish independence and I didn't really have the answers to the discussions we had.
We were talking specifically about oil (we did have fun really-this was the only serious topic we discussed!) He said in 2014 one of the big arguments from the unionist side was 'THERE IS NO OIL LEFT' however now with the new oil contact granted in Rosebank this argument has been disproved.
Can I play devil's advocate and ask why can't Scotland keep the revenues from oil drilled off Scottish waters? I realise these waters are UK waters however why can't they be Scottish? Ignoring the net zero targets of course!
I realise this question makes me sound like an idiot so I'd never ask it in real life-only on anonymous Mumsnet! Can anyone help me understand?

I'm fully aware of what was proposed but your quoting a man who is neither a PM anymore and also had a lot of pie in the sky projects which also didn't amount to anything including a bridge between Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Well @Scottishskifun no 'propaganda' here (at least not from me 🤣).

'Highland Spring' is a privately owned company, owned by a gentleman from the Arab Emirates, -so I think from you this is mostly hot air. 😀

England is indeed dependent on energy from Scotland, and they have (for now) stolen 6000 sq miles of Scotlands sea territory.

But you are correct about one thing! Norway is indeed set up differently from the Scottish, in that they dont have Englands government robbing Norwegians into the poor house!

The most recent part of the Norway Oil Fund was only established in 1990, so is really very recent indeed.

I think your post is

a) out of date and

b) incorrect

with regard its content.

-and you accuse me of peddling 'propaganda'?

My friends are very much better informed than your good-self 😉

See below.

Scotlands energy to England

How Norways Oil Fund Works -this link explains it

😂 the fact that you think that 1990 is recent pretty much proves my point! That's 34 years ago!
As I stated for the UK to have set up any similar scheme they would have needed to do so 30 years ago......not sure why you think 34 years is recent!

Yes I previously stated that Scotland creates a high amount of wind (enough to power scotland) but that it's not constant and the grid is made up of multiple sources. Not sure what's contradictory there?! Also fully aware of the proposed power lines and substations proposed I live in an area which would be effected. But it's not some UK conspiracy the Scottish government are the sanctioners of the overall project for the building of the pylons and powerstations (it's over the size capacity for the Local authority remit) and its them that have sold off offshore wind licence blocks which requires being linked back to the grid.

I suggest you go watch the Guy Martin series on energy it's very good at explaining why it's not 1 solution required or a straight swap out for energy requirements.

🤣

Historically 1990 is very recent! 🤣

But why would I waste my time speaking with you? 😉

Take care

Right so again showing you understand very little about the offshore industry.
The first offshore gas production began in 1967 (Southern North Sea) so has been going for 57 years, oil production from 1975 so 49 years.

So again no 1990 is not very recent in terms of offshore oil and gas history, nor the technology, development or extraction methods.

Heheheh! 😀

It is very recent. If there has been 56 years of oil industry and they didnt implement the main part of their oil fund until 1990, it was 23 years into that 56 year arc!

The Norwegians didnt make the brunt of their massive wealth until the second half of this era.

How much money does Scotland have? None.

How much money does England have? None

Scotland has produced MORE oil than Norway and More oil than Kuwait.

The Uk's debt doubled from around 1 Trillion pounds to 2.5 Trillion and climbing.
So why does Norway have money and the Uk has nothing? (and that is a rhetorical question, I already know why)

But of course you will continue to disagree with me, and blahblahblah... lol!

You keep saying I dont understand 🤣 lol

You are mistaken, or you are merely here to agitate.

I wish you and England well. In the next ten years you will need it. Most especially when Scotland leaves the Uk. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Goodbye. I wish you well 😊

No, I'm not a bot lol Englands Prime Minister Boris Johnson said that England will be dependent on Scotland for energy for the foreseeable future 😊as indeed it has been for the last half a century.

What makes you think I'm a Scottish person? Perhaps you are a bot? 😂

The stuff being posted here is hilarious!

Scotland keeps Englands lights on:

More like Frances nuclear helps keep our lights on 😂

No, it's still Scottish Energy, actually. This was in the Yorkshire Post 😉

Nice to see so many trying to deny the obvious 😂

Clean Scottish Energy to England

And gas - we can’t rely on wind or we’ ll end up like Germany

The Scottish actually have a massive surplus of oil and gas. They also have wave and tidal.

"The Scottish" 🙄

It's a shame "The English" don't have any wind, waves or tides....

But then the SNP have sold the rights to most of that for a fraction of their value already, the powerhouse of intelligence and business acumen that they have going on.

Have you heard Mr Starmers plans for oil and gas ?
Wave and tidal are too expensive and the equipment so far isn’t strong enough to withstand the battering it will receive .
Wind turbines have to be supported by gas or diesel generators which are kept running so they are ready to action when wind isn’t blowing . This too is costly , adds to electric bills and any co2 gain from wind is rapidly lost .

Plus wind turbines are an environmental disaster as well as a carbuncle on the countryside when we need tourist dollar

Keir Starmer (Sir) is a knight of the British Realm and a Tory.

Not terribly interested in his views. 😊

I doubt the Scottish will be either. (I dont live in England)

When you say 'we' -do you mean England?

Again, this is Scottish energy being taken, for free, to England because England doesn't have enough energy to power itself.

My point is not about Englands impending energy crisis when Scotland leaves, my point was that for the foreseeable future, England will be reliant on Scotland for energy.

A direct quote from the former English PM Boris Johnson.

Btw WHY do English people keep voting for the calamitous Tory Party? 🤔

Why do you keep referring to us as "the Scottish"? That's not correct. And anyway regardless of your outdated and unusual views, we are one country. Which part of the country contributes more to the energy has the same relevancy as anything else, e.g. Finance business, art, manufacturing etc.

Oh... I DOUBT you are Scottish; 🤣 -and that is the name of that people. 😊

There is nothing 'out-dated' about what I have posted here.

Are you saying Scotland isnt a country?

or

Are you saying England isnt a country?

I dont believe you 😉

The United Kingdom is the British 'State', its not a country.

Very good program on Ch4 'Skint:The Truth About The Broken Economy.' Details the continuation of the UK Government 's lack of investment and general lack of ensuring a healthy economy. Quite depressing.

Hi @Liverpoolma123 yes, its sad. They doubled the Uk debt, -now north of 2.5 Trillion and climbing, and where has all the money gone? Shocking.

And in Scotland alone:

2017: Billion-barrel Oil find in the North Sea
2019: Biggest Oil find for a Decade
2024; Biggest Oil find for OVER 20 YEARS

Yet the Uk is 'broke'? 🤣 Where's it all going?

You can believe or disbelieve all you like. As you know, people can claim anything and spraff whatever shite they can bang out on a keyboard with their hairy hands. It makes no odds to me one way or another what you believe or don't 🤷

However, just for your future adventures in trying to come across knowledgeable and relevant, no one in Scotland would ever refer to themselves as The Scottish, that's an absolute fact. The Scottish people maybe but never The Scottish. And calling people The English (unless you are Amish) is also derogatory.